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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 06:54am Jun 4, 2002 EST (#2462
of 2472)
We can "collect the dots" and "connect the dots" more effectively
than ever before -- and with time, and practice - both the
"collection" and the "connection" can become better, and easier for
people as they are. Wars of ideas can be painful, but they are
better, safer, more hopeful, than wars that rend flesh, and waste
lives.
War of Ideas By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/02/opinion/02FRIE.html
If we are intent on preventing the next 9/11, we
need to do more than just spy on our enemies better in secret. We
need to take on their ideas in public.
The United States, and some other countries, in Europe and all
over the world, are now engaged in differences of opinion, about
what uses of force make practical sense, about what uses of force
make moral sense, about what uses of force are possible, and about
what the motivations for military establishments may be.
Things that used to be based on blind trust can now be considered
in terms of things that can be checked -- so that relationships, in
the future, can come to be based on trust (or distrust) that is
justified.
It has become commonplace, all over the world, to ask the
question -- are US military and political relationships much
more reliable than the bureacratic usages of the FBI and CIA, or
about the same, or perhaps worse? If they are not much more
reliable, both intellectually and morally, they bear considerable
checking.
Spy Game: Changing the Rules So the Good Guys Win By DAVID
WISE http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/02/weekinreview/02WISE.html
F.B.I. director Robert S. Mueller III says the
bureau is reinventing itself to fight terrorists, but what about
the Central Intelligence Agency?
Wary of Risk, Slow to Adapt, F.B.I. Stumbles in Terror War
By DON VAN NATTA Jr. and DAVID JOHNSTON http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/02/national/02FBI.html
Senior intelligence officials say that the F.B.I.
has never developed a nimble enough structure, analytic capability
or sense of mission to foil terrorist plots.
Interactive Feature: A Changing F.B.I http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/national/20020602_FBI/index.html
Egypt Warned U.S. of a Qaeda Plot, Mubarak Asserts By
PATRICK E. TYLER and NEIL MacFARQUHAR http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/national/04WARN.html
Rifts Plentiful as 9/11 Inquiry Begins Today By JAMES
RISEN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/politics/04INQU.html
The United States, and the EU countries, are now engaged in
serious discussion about how much to spend on military function, and
how to spend the resources involved. Specifics matter - and it would
be useful for the patterns of our "missile defense" program to be
checked in ways that could stand crossexamination. MD1076
rshow55
4/4/02 1:20pm . . . . If one looked at that program -
carefully -- a great deal about the validity of the US
military-industrial-political complex would be clarified - and
Europeans and others would be clearer about what is worth spending
money on -- what is worth respecting -- and what is not. The amounts
of money involved should justify careful checking - not that missile
defense, itself is our biggest program - MD1318 rshow55
4/12/02 6:59pm ... but it is big enough to illustrate some
key issues about the "culture" that Eisenhower worried about - a
culture that has continued, with surprisingly little supervision,
for the last fifty years. (Eisenhower's FAREWELL ADDRESS of
January 17, 1961 http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/ikefw.htm
. . . MD2286 rshow55
5/18/02 5:44pm)
rshow55
- 06:55am Jun 4, 2002 EST (#2463
of 2472)
As Krugman points out, things can and do get worse - when time
passes, and honor erodes:
Greed Is Bad By PAUL KRUGMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/opinion/04KRUG.html
Perhaps corporations will reform themselves, but
so far they show no signs of changing their ways.
Checking is important, and both Americans, and others who have a
stake in the decency and survival of the world, should ask for it.
When President Bush and others emphasize the virtues of morality,
transparency, and honesty, they are right to do so.
lchic
- 02:33pm Jun 4, 2002 EST (#2464
of 2472)
Enron : BBC June4
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/default.stm
lchic
- 11:15pm Jun 4, 2002 EST (#2465
of 2472)
GU thread International http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.464
nukes (who controls Israel's 'redbutton'?) http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?50@@.eecca22/0
In an article titled "The American Snake," Kamal Sa'ad, a
columnist for the Egyptian opposition weekly Al-Usbu', attacked U.S.
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?50@@.eeccae9/0
Elaborate language may have roots in (pre-soap) story telling,
but, how do the regular folks 'uncurl' the descriptiveness to get a
clearEnglish, straight, point by point view of factual matters .. or
is life forever hazy in some cultures ?
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