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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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lchic
- 10:10am May 10, 2002 EST (#2146
of 2157)
Government has a role to play regarding the funding of research
(that benefits all), and the initial practical implementation of
infrastructures that are initially too large for private investors
(and not yet turning a dollar). With time and development and
earnings ... there is often a move to private investors.
lchic
- 10:11am May 10, 2002 EST (#2147
of 2157)
Paul HAWKEN ~ Natural Capital
BEING LOUD does not make you correct .. it just makes you
more loud. Hawken
Churchill - America will do the right thing after it's tried
everything else :)
"" ... The laws we're ignoring determine how life sustains
itself. Commerce requires living systems for its welfare -- it is
emblematic of the times that this even needs to be said. Because
of our industrial prowess, we emphasize what people can do but
tend to ignore what nature does. ... "" see
see
also Seems to be about sustainablity. The development of
energy efficient goods/services that may be improvements upon
existing - and less expensive. Enables a higher (and wider)
international standard of living.
Showalter -- some of the concepts/innovations, you've espoused
above, fall into this Natural Capital category. Hawken says
it's a movement, coming not from government, rather, the people.
rshow55
- 11:11am May 10, 2002 EST (#2148
of 2157)
Interesting stuff from gisterme and lchic !
I'll be taking a little while to respond. I'm paying attention.
I think my solar energy proposal would work - - and the process
of facing up to objections, such as the fine ones gisterme
has come up with - is just exactly the process needed to get to a
workable design.
I continue to believe that, for the money and engineering
resources now devoted to MD programs that can't work - - we could
solve all the essential problems of global warming, and world energy
supply -- and be well on the way to having that work progress to the
point where it could proceed on a economically self-sustaining
basis.
At the least, for a lot less than that, we could make a
damn fine movie about doing so. From the movie to reality, with
simulation and persuasive resources as they are these days, might
not be so great a jump.
Maybe after more examination, I'll see I'm wrong -- let me take a
little time.
mazza9
- 04:11pm May 10, 2002 EST (#2149
of 2157) Louis Mazza
Gisterme:
Havn't you heard. This is now the Robert Showalter "Ego
Extravaganza Show!" Isn't it nice that the NY Times has so
generously sanctioned this web site for his personal use?
...and of course, there is his faithful sidekick lchic. A
fountain of Marxist/Leninist filth who brags about being a baby
killer. Lchic's favorite story is of the 5 year old who as murdered
by those peace loving Palestinians. Every so often they interject
the word missile to placate the pundits.
Wanna
Go Ballistic?
LouMazza
lchic
- 05:46pm May 10, 2002 EST (#2150
of 2157)
mAzzA - anyone and everyone may post here - and they do - even
purported 'Toastmasters' ... a real, high in the pecking order,
Toastmaster will be zooming your way next year (from hereabouts) on
a Standards-Raising mission.
lchic
- 05:52pm May 10, 2002 EST (#2151
of 2157)
CLINTON - Terrorism Prevention
Former President Clinton says an anti-terrorism military invasion
of Afghanistan during his administration might have been
logistically impossible and would have drawn international
condemnation.
In a National Public Radio interview aired Friday, Clinton said
his White House did much to fight terrorism. Accomplishments
included thwarting ``a lot more terrorist attacks than we had,''
Clinton said. Among them, he said, were convicting most of those
responsible for acts of terror against Americans while he was
president, getting al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden away from the
network he was building in Sudan in 1996 and conducting airstrikes
against bin Laden training camps in Afghanistan in 1998.
He acknowledged failures, such as being unable to persuade Saudi
Arabia to take bin Laden into custody from Sudan and scrapping an
operation to have CIA-trained Pakistanis hunt down the suspected
terror mastermind in Afghanistan in 1999.
``I think the only thing (more) we could have done is to try some
sort of invasion, which would have been widely condemned around the
world as a violation of international law,'' said Clinton, a guest
on NPR's ``The Tavis Smiley Show.''
Now, the outrage over the Sept. 11 terror attacks has led to
widespread support for President Bush's war in Afghanistan, at home
and abroad. For instance, Clinton noted the Bush administration has
been given ``basing rights in adjoining countries'' to Afghanistan
-- crucial to the military's successes.
In the Middle East, Clinton proposed Israel and the Palestinians
make an interim agreement if they cannot reach an overall
settlement. Clinton, who actively mediated between the two sides,
said Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat made a mistake in not taking
the peace agreement in late 2000.
He also said that although the idea of a new career as a
television talk show host has some appeal, it is unlikely to be his
next career turn. That's in part because it would be difficult for
such a show to be economically viable, Clinton said.
``I don't think this is going to happen,'' he said of the
speculation after he met with NBC executives last week. ``I'd be
surprised if it did.''
^------ On the Net: Clinton on National Public
Radio: http://www.npr.org/programs/tavis/ http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Clinton.html AP
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