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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 10:34am Apr 23, 2002 EST (#1704
of 1712)
There are many technical problems for the global village
to adress - for people to address. Some of the barriers to
addressing them are getting less. The tactics for frustrating
closure about facts, and reasonable actions -- those tactics are
getting clearer and much harder to disguise.
I think the world is a considerably safer place than it was, even
just a year ago, because people are looking at these sort of
problems. There is a much broader consensus, among more people in
more nations -- about what the problems are.
A key problem, again and again and again and again, is that
people can't make good decisions - can't take actions that work --
without clear information, available, understood, and trustworthy
(checkable) -- to work from.
But that ONE key problem can be adressed - in general, the things
needed for checking, for clear communication to closure, are getting
clear - the problems of information flow and communication are only
as hard as they are. Get those problems better solved -- and
permanent improvements in the human condition are possible --
if only patterns of checking , now technically feasible,
become more widespread - and get some force behind them.
The MD boondoggle would be fine place to start, because the
technical facts are so clear - and if tthat effort, described here,
were well backed, could demonstrate almost all of the basic
patterns needed to fix a lot of problems.
A key question - that illuminates some others, is this.
" When large news organizations such as
The New York Times cannot solve problems by covering the
facts about them -- why don't the solutions happen, when
they often seem very clear?
If people could answer that question in detail, with balance -- a
lot that is ugly now would clean up - in ways that both
almarst and most literate people, all over the world, would
approve of.
almarst-2001
- 10:48am Apr 23, 2002 EST (#1705
of 1712)
'Star Wars' could turn space into a wasteland - http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/04/22/orbit.debris/index.html
rshow55
- 11:35am Apr 23, 2002 EST (#1706
of 1712)
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/04/22/orbit.debris/index.html
To destroy space as a location for either peaceful or warlike
purposes -- launch ball bearings, or even gravel.
Countermeasures are easy , defenses are hard - -
and unforseen consequences have to be expected in complicated
circumstances. Especially complicated adversarial
circumstances.
We need to learn to make peace.
Not abolish conflict, or all killing - that can't be done -- but
make ridiculous conflicts, based on mistakes, lies, and muddles --
much less likely. We'd all be far safer.
Getting a good look at "Star Wars" would show a great deal
about the whole "military-industrial-political" complex, and show in
detail the reasons why Eisenhower warned us in FAREWELL ADDRESS
of January 17, 1961 http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/ikefw.htm
.
The things Eisenhower warned about have happened - and those
problems have gone unrestrained a very long time. We have some
things to fix.
mazza9
- 11:57am Apr 23, 2002 EST (#1707
of 1712) Louis Mazza
Amarst-2001:
I don't differentiate regarding abuse. I just watched a 50s
costume drama entitled "The Egyptian". Its based on the life of the
pharoh Aknahton. The religious intolerance, the haves and have nots
were evident then and are still evident today!
Maybe you should read today's Op Ed by Kristoff, (name probably
derived form the name Christ!!). It chronicles a circumstance that
exists today which has existed since the time of Aknahton and even
before. Ask yourself, why has this circumstance received little
notice from the UN when this is a MAJOR violation of the UN Charter.
lchic: Yes it's horrible what's happening in Israel and "Palestine"
but you haven't mentioned Sudan.
Slavery
in 2002!!!
I don't know is B-52s would help the slaves but it sure might get
the slaveholders attention!
LouMazza
almarst-2001
- 01:04pm Apr 23, 2002 EST (#1708
of 1712)
Louis,
Why go so far as Sudan when you can find as many enslaved people
(mostly young women sold/forced into prostitution) in Europe and US?
"I don't differentiate regarding abuse."
I wonder what do you call "abuse".
Does it include "humanitarian" bombing" and "colateral damage"?
Or establishment and support of pretty bloody military
dictatorships? Or carpet bombing and Agent Orange in places in
Indo-China? Or destruction of civilian infrastructure and economic
sunctions harting mostly the poor, the sick, the children?
mazza9
- 01:26pm Apr 23, 2002 EST (#1709
of 1712) Louis Mazza
Almarst:
You appear incapable of differentiating between Sudanese Slavery
and "enslavement" in the US and Europe. It's not the same and if you
think that the 6 year old mentioned in Kristoff's article has an
equivalent counterpart in the US then name it or shut up. I'm tired
of your moral equivalency nonsense. You enslave me with you
ignorance, when you mouth such pernicious garbage.
If you can't see the difference then shame on you.
LouMazza
almarst-2001
- 02:48pm Apr 23, 2002 EST (#1710
of 1712)
Louis, While we are at Sudan,
How the destruction of the only pharmaceudical factory affected
the people. Particluarely the poor, the children, the old and the
sick? how many died and suffered as result of this "mistake" the US
did not even apologised, not talking about compensation and
rebuilding.
A moral relativism?
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