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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 08:04pm Apr 21, 2002 EST (#1632
of 1650)
rshowalter - 04:16am Aug 29, 2001 EST (#8221 of 8231) . . .
Robert Showalter mrshowalter@thedawn.com
MD8101 rshowalter 8/24/01 12:02pm
Showstoppers, when they happen, are usually simple.
In missile defense, there are many.
But they have to be explained.
lwjordan0 - 04:16am Aug 29, 2001 EST (#8222 of 8231)
Two of the three rogue nations who might attack with crude
weapons mentioned in the story are Iraq and Iran. Israel is being
bombed by Palestinians and their allies without even an airplane!
Why would Iraq and/or Iran bother with a missle when a "?" could
carry an A-bomb into NY harbor or Seattle etc. and set it off by
pushing a button on his wrist? Most large population centers are
adjacent to water. Why are we looking for missles we can't hit when
the Middle East shows us a low tech answer.
rshowalter - 05:52am Aug 29, 2001 EST (#8223 of 8231) . . .
Robert Showalter mrshowalter@thedawn.com
The motivation this administration is showing is plainly intense
-- they want missile defense expenditure for reasons that they find
compelling.
But the technical case, and the strategic case, make little or no
sense -- they are such bad cases that the credibility of the United
States, with allies and other countries, all over the world, is
deteriorating at a rate that is historically unprecedented.
The United State is being besmirched.
A problem is that "the system" co-opts so effectively that
dissent, within the United States, can be remarkably muted. . . .
Sometimes, it is necessary to look a little below the surface,
and to have some memory, and some tolerance of complexity. The
internet makes these things easier, but does not do away with the
need for human responsibility and courage.
MD7562 rshowalter 7/29/01 4:48am makes some key if uncomfortable
points.
rshowalter - 05:54am Aug 29, 2001 EST (#8224 of 8231) . . . .
Robert Showalter mrshowalter@thedawn.com
Chain breakers: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/618
rshow55
- 08:11pm Apr 21, 2002 EST (#1633
of 1650)
I was getting ready to move on some of the things reposted above,
and September 11 changed some things. Now, it makes sense to move
again.
MD1575-1576 rshow55
4/20/02 5:51pm
rshow55
- 08:24pm Apr 21, 2002 EST (#1634
of 1650)
I appreciate the chance to repost things I'll want to refer to.
Here are postings before that last long sequence of reposts.
Noticed that that NUKE ME State is trying to
stop... by lchic - Apr 21, 02 (#1607 of 1633) lchic
4/21/02 3:27pm
MD1595 mazza9 4/21/02 2:23pm asks an excellent,...
by rshow55 - Apr 21, 02 (#1608 of 1633) rshow55
4/21/02 3:28pm
lchic 4/21/02 3:27pm - - whatever else can be...
by rshow55 - Apr 21, 02 (#1609 of 1633) rshow55
4/21/02 3:31pm
RShow55:I appreicate the reposts... by mazza9 -
Apr 21, 02 (#1610 of 1633) mazza9
4/21/02 4:20pm
RSHow55:Here's what I proposed at the Space... by
mazza9 - Apr 21, 02 (#1611 of 1633) mazza9
4/21/02 4:54pm
Not knowing the value of money .. by lchic - Apr
21, 02 (#1612 of 1633) lchic
4/21/02 7:28pm
Saw an interesting movie on video last night - ...
by rshow55 - Apr 21, 02 (#1613 of 1633) rshow55
4/21/02 7:40pm
Mazza, you're right in mazza9 4/21/02 4:20pm ...
by rshow55 - Apr 21, 02 (#1614 of 1633) rshow55
4/21/02 7:42pm
Mazza , you asked ""What benefits would accrue...
by rshow55 - Apr 21, 02 (#1615 of 1633) rshow55
4/21/02 7:44pm
These articles from the NYT adress questions of...
by rshow55 - Apr 21, 02 (#1616 of 1633) rshow55
4/21/02 7:44pm
lchic
- 08:51pm Apr 21, 2002 EST (#1635
of 1650) USA - Missiles - Transparency --- really?!! NO! Not
really.
If the American Presidental ROLE is also that of a WORLD
President ... wrt making decisons and judgements that affect the
world.
Then there's a case for that Office having to consult with the
'world' prior to decisions being made that affect the world.
A criteria referenced checklist for candidates might be
interesting and worthwhile.
What do they have to offer, how do they 'think', what is their
past record, what reforms have they introduced at lower levels.
Interesting reference to the guy on death row, i watched 'the
green mile' recently .. today the death row concept is outdated and
outmoded.
Elsewhere the STATE does not ASK another person to KILL a
prisoner. When people are the 'hangman' they suffer untold stresses
that affects their life and health - especially when 1-in-7 of the
Americans killed in this manner are actually innocent.
If State Governors want people killed - then they personally
should do it - up close and personal -- and take the stresses ... be
the hangman ... and suffer the personal consquences. Why expect
'others' to carry out this work. After all the Governor gets the
higher remuneration.
WRT missiles - there would have to be exemplorary leadership
systems in place, before nations would commit to just the USA
holding those weapons.
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