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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 06:03pm Apr 20, 2002 EST (#1584
of 1609)
Hi lchic - - I'm off to get sweaty.
lchic
- 06:19pm Apr 20, 2002 EST (#1585
of 1609) USA - Missiles - Transparency --- really?!! NO! Not
really.
I'm cooking the unilateral breakfast - cowboy beans - (hash
potatoe and perch) ... seems that the days of the US riding around
the world as a lone gun toting marshall are coming to a close .. an
Aussie-Editor-at-large yearing as a Fellow within your elite
academia ... is saying that unilateralism has had it's day! The USA
will rejoin the world anytime soon ... that's as soon as Bush works
this out!
lchic
- 07:17pm Apr 20, 2002 EST (#1586
of 1609) USA - Missiles - Transparency --- really?!! NO! Not
really.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1037.asp
Full transcript later.
almarst-2001
- 09:39pm Apr 20, 2002 EST (#1587
of 1609)
STUPID WHITE MEN - http://www.michaelmoore.com/
rshow55
- 11:37pm Apr 20, 2002 EST (#1588
of 1609)
http://www.michaelmoore.com/
shows vitality that America can be proud of . The connection between
the Bush administration and Enron is clear indeed, and nothing to be
proud of. That connection, and the patterns behind it, should be
cause of concern, world-wide. So should some patterns of persuasion,
and "morality" that are now very infuential in the right wing part
of the Republican party. MD158 rshow55
3/3/02 3:54pm : Bush 2000 Adviser Offered To Use Clout to
Help Enron By Joe Stephens Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday,
February 17, 2002 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22380-2002Feb16.html
" Just before the last presidential election,
Bush campaign adviser Ralph Reed offered to help Enron Corp.
deregulate the electricity industry by working his "good friends"
in Washington and by mobilizing religious leaders and pro-family
groups . ...
MD656 rshow55
3/17/02 9:24pm
MD716 rshow55
3/20/02 11:51am .... Facts, established solidly enough, can be
powerful. Enron was dominant - deferred to -- respected -- on the
basis of a pattern of ornate but blatant deceptions. But the lies
were unstable - - and once some key facts solidified - with clarity
- and with many of the facts presented together in space and time,
so people could see -- the fraud collapsed, and there have been
consequences. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/business/_ENRON-PRIMER.html
Some key aspects of the US military-industrial-complex deserve
analogous scrutiny. The exent of some of the ornate and longstanding
deceptions involved is analogous -- and the amounts of money
diverted from reasonable uses by fraudulent means is much greater.
For this scrutiny to happen, for it to be news, world leaders are
going to have to ask for some checking.
Some of the biggest problems are "simple" once one finally
understands some key truths, which may be distasteful to look at. In
The Great Divide http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/29/opinion/29KRUG.html
, Paul Krugman suggests that we're at "the ending an era of
laxity." To some extent, in ways that are a credit to the United
States (and the New York Times) I think that's proven to be true.
But we've got farther to go.
The question "what for?" needs to be answered about US military
policy - including missile defense, nuclear weapons, and much else.
Problems Bill Casey was terribly concerned about remain problems --
and there need to be workable answers - in a workably true context.
Technical issues about missile defense would be a good start,
because they are so technically clear, and lend themselves to
umpired discussion to closure. For the specific MD programs on which
money is being lavished - the key questions are simple, for each
system, considered under realistic tactical conditions, with
countermeasures that have to be expected.
Can it see the target?
Can it hit the target?
Can it hurt the target?
The answers are straightforward, involve simple physics and
engineering -- and can be checked. Checked on an umpired basis, in
public.
lchic
- 08:41am Apr 21, 2002 EST (#1589
of 1609) USA - Missiles - Transparency --- really?!! NO! Not
really.
Gut feel sceptisim here re functionality of a UK-gvt service
Indicates that 'cultural change' is hard to achieve .... but of
course Tony Blair has the answers (?!)
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