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manjumicha2001
- 03:09pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1497
of 1514)
I wouldn't dare...
But I must say I do get annoyed with Jewish Americans putting
Sharon's interest ahead of this country. Our past presidents
(including Reagan) had to kick his butt into the right place but now
it seems he has taken over our own government, thanks to people like
you.
Now, I guess I will be officially classified as an anti-semite
too...?
manjumicha2001
- 03:31pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1498
of 1514)
Unfortunately, Bush Jr. doesn't seem to have the strength
(neither moral nor intellectual) to run his own policy or stand up
to the the domestic jewish lobby that authomatically rallies to the
causes of Israeli government regardless of who is in charge there
and whether or not such regime (i.e. Sharon) will bring the peace to
the region.
Hopefully, Brent Scrowcroft/Tenet crowd at Bush Big Daddy's
request can march in in time and save Bush Jr from Rumsfeld gang
before US incurrs an irreversible damage to its interests.
rshow55
- 03:32pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1499
of 1514)
I think the most pro-jewish thing possible is a workable
peace in the Middle East.
Setting up the Palestinians so that their only human choice is to
fight to the death is not in the interest of Israel - - and it seems
to be all that Sharon knows how to do.
Of course Israel has to be prepared to kill to defend its
vital interests.
Quite apart from the morality of the thing (though morality
matters as well) Israel has to acknowledge that the Palestinians
will do the same -- with the weapons they actually have working.
Once that acknowledgement gets made, on both sides, and some
artificial and self-serving moralism gets swept away -- there's a
lot of motivation for workable compromise, on both sides. And a lot
of the compromising has already been blocked out.
Both sides have to treat the other side as human beings -- and
that means recognizing them as dangerous animals, willing and able
to fight.
Nobody has to love anybody else. Peace ought to be possible. If
it isn't, in the end, both sides lose - and the US loses, too.
Can Israel continue to be isolated at current rates, and survive
long term without finding a way to real peace? Not that I can see.
manjumicha2001
- 03:53pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1500
of 1514)
Unfortunately, Bush Jr. doesn't seem to have the strength
(neither moral nor intellectual) to run his own policy or stand up
to the the domestic jewish lobby that authomatically rallies to the
causes of Israeli government regardless of who is in charge there
and whether or not such regime (i.e. Sharon) will bring the peace to
the region. Hopefully, Brent Scrowcroft/Tenet/Bush Sr. can march in
and save Bush Jr from Rumsfeld gang in time before US incurrs an
irreversible damage to its interests.
lchic
- 05:12pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1501
of 1514) Jenin massacre "It's just like Hiroshima," US
reporter said
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/04/17/1019020661483.html
BushJr had money in the bank but little desire to travel out into
the big world (3xonly) prior to whitehouse ... truth is he hadn't
noticed there's a world out there ... knowing about the world would
have made a world of difference to his thinking....now is that 'his'
thinking or the way his daddy tells him to think.
On Arabs and Jews - and the latter a sub-species of the former
... they're all the same to me!
So it boils down to very similar people have degrees of
grievance, needing TLC and guidance, and the world to get into shape
and find a peaceful workable solution.
almarst-2001
- 06:55pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1502
of 1514)
Alice's New Adventures In Medialand - http://www.fair.org/media-beat/020418.html
almarst-2001
- 06:58pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1503
of 1514)
U.S. Papers Hail Venezuelan Coup as Pro-Democracy Move - http://www.fair.org/press-releases/venezuela-editorials.html
almarst-2001
- 07:05pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1504
of 1514)
The characteristic Bush II form of dishonesty is to construct
an alternative reality on some topic and to regard anyone who
objects to it as a sniveling dweeb obsessed with “nuance,” which the
president of this class, I mean of the United States, has more
important things to do than worry about. - http://www.msnbc.com/news/740615.asp?0si=-
almarst-2001
- 07:06pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1505
of 1514)
What the president actually expected from the Palestinians is
pretty much what he got - http://www.msnbc.com/news/739607.asp?0si=-
mazza9
- 07:38pm Apr 18, 2002 EST (#1506
of 1514) Louis Mazza
lchic:
The 2000 US census asked: "What Race are You?" and then offered a
variety of choices including a blank. I filled in the blank,
"Human".
Only someone who is ignorant would state that "On Arabs and Jews
- and the latter a sub-species of the former ... they're all the
same to me!". Maybe you meant subset! But then again maybe you were
showing your true colors since we know that the NAZIs did indeed
believe that the Jews were a sub species worthy of extermination.
So how is your goose step?
LouMazza
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