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almarst-2001
- 01:17pm Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1294
of 1317)
Aiming bipartisan fire at what it described as the Bush
administration's alarming penchant for secrecy, a group of House
Republicans and Democrats yesterday introduced legislation to cancel
President Bush's executive order restricting the release of
presidential records. - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34558-2002Apr11.html
almarst-2001
- 01:24pm Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1295
of 1317)
The military is looking into building a spacecraft that could
drop bombs from space - http://www.gazette.com/stories/0410loc1-2.php?section=1
gisterme
- 01:49pm Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1296
of 1317)
lchic
4/12/02 6:20am
"America has two crisis running. Afghanistan and
Israel..."
I respectfully disagree, lchic. They are the same problem. Just
different heads of the same Hydra working together to achieve a
common goal, bloodletting. If an organizational chart were made of
that monster's leadership hierarchy, I believe you'd find Arafat and
Ben Laden as senior leutenants about equal in rank. Kind of like
Himmler and Goebbles were to Hitler. Arafat's job is to use the Jews
and Palestenian people to stir the pot to keep the hatred simmering
until the time seems right to let it boil over. Ben Laden's job is
to provide the "army", the branch of the organization that executes
the will of their master and who will be waiting when the boil-over
occurs. There are others, of course. And whatever moniker the "big
boss" has chosen this time, the evil that drives him is exactly the
same as the evil that brought about the fasciest war. The jews were
the excuse to spill blood then and they're being used again in the
same way. The blood of six million jews was poured out in that
holocost, but it took the spilling of the blood of about fourteen
million others to put the monster termporarily back in his box.
If the current problem was really about a Palestenian state, that
state would exist today and the bleeding would have been stopped.
Israel offered to give the Palestenians practically everything
they've been asking for, most specifically, an autonomous homeland
on the west bank. It's not about that. It's about making sure the
blood continues to be spilled...not just Jewish blood but any blood.
Ahh, makes me wonder, wonder if we're not really at the top of
the food-chain on this planet after all. How well does a carefully
tended cow or chicken understand the predator that will eventually
gratify its appetite by devouring their flesh? I'd say about as well
as we would understand the predator who's appetite is satisfied by
feeding on human souls.
gisterme
- 01:52pm Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1297
of 1317)
almarst-2001
4/12/02 1:24pm
"...The military is looking into building a spacecraft that
could drop bombs from space..."
That's what intercontenental ballistic and sub-orbital missiles
do already, Almarst. They are spacecraft.
mazza9
- 02:50pm Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1298
of 1317) Louis Mazza
Almarst_2001
Yes you're correct as far as you go.
ZIONISM
The eastern mediterranean has been ruled by Greeks after
Alexander 315 BC, the Romans after Julius Caesar 43 bc, The
Byzantine Empire after Constantine 312AD, The Seljuk Turks from 1453
till WWI ends, then the British mandate until after WWII and then
the UN resolution of 1948 to establish the state of Israel. The day
after the UN vote the Arabs attacked Israel and lost!!
The miracle of Israeli experiment was to reclaim the desert and
build a democracy in a cauldron of 8th century monarchies and
dictatorships. Why do you suppose that after the '67 war the refugee
camp inhabitants sought employment in Israel? The "Arab World" never
invested in the ifrastructure of these camps but left them to fester
and foment hate. It's no wonder that the Palestinian is so put upon
but the real culprit is the Arab world!
Lou
lchic
- 03:16pm Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1299
of 1317)
Australians are being warned by forecasters that the ME situation
could boil over into a third world war!
lchic
- 03:36pm Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1300
of 1317)
The problem with America is the failure to keep Foreign Affairs
with the House(s)of the people where there can be full discussion,
rather then allow Foreign Policy to be run by the pro-Jewish lobby
along with the military weapons production machine.
The US has to look at the REAL history of the Middle East - see
my refs posted above.
There are NO terrorists in Palestine - they are FreedomFighters
... fighting to get their freedom back .. fighting to get their land
and homes back. That GI above can link them into being terrorists is
muddled thinking. International Law classifies them as people who
have been harmed by Israeli aggression with the perfect right to use
whatever methods they choose against their aggressor.
America has to cease funding their Israeli
Frankenstein/Pitbull/Dracula ... rather dump them.
The current aggressive rise and rise of Israel co-incides with
the installation (by high court decree ... back in JebCounty .. of
WalkerBush) .. again demonstrating the abysmal weakness of Bush. His
total failure to appreciate C20 history. His failure to find and
work with a 'clear sighted, clear thinking, visionary' team. The
current mob called 'The Administration' ... have not got a clue with
respect as to either the history of the ME crisis, or what to do
about it. They can't even acknowledge historical truth --- the first
step towards a thought out solution.
The American Media also has to look to truth - and do their job -
and correct the NaziIsraeli line - which treats Israelis as a
special breed apart, while at the same time labels Palestinians
'nobodys'.
America has to look for a FAIR solution to the ME challenge.
Otherwise - It's looking more and more to the world as if the
only solution is going to be the physical removal of the Israelis
from the middleEast into the USA!
Has anyone put up a 'Palestine' primer reference from the NYT ...
no!? If no then WHY not?!! How can the NYT regard itself as a
world premier paper if it's staff/ownership politics don't drill
down to truth - how would NY cope with WWIII - it wouldn't!
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