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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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lchic
- 11:41pm Apr 8, 2002 EST (#1209
of 1228)
GU talk thread - re rest of the world ... http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?50@@.eea3993/14
.. don't hold your breath!
.. the first Palestinian-Israeli war. It is, in
important respects, an asymmetrical war. Israel is a state and
Palestine is a proto-state; Israel has a powerful military machine
and Palestine has a powerful terror machine. But on the
battlefield of legitimacy, of the right to statehood in this
particular place, the Israelis and the Palestinians are evenly
matched; and the relative military weakness of the Palestinians
has not prevented them from sending an unprecedented shudder
through Israeli society, and from committing unspeakable crimes.
The Palestinians also possess a variety of military organizations:
The savage campaign of Palestinian terror is only a part of the
armed resistance to the Israeli occupation that is the real
innovation of these terrible days. For the first time since the
creation of Israel, the Palestinians are fighting for a Palestine
in Palestine. They have understood what Israel grasped a long time
ago: that all the Arab-Israeli wars were fought by the Arab states
not for Palestine but against Israel. http://www.thenewrepublic.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020415&s=wieseltier041502
rshow55
- 11:41pm Apr 8, 2002 EST (#1210
of 1228)
Guilty Plea Seen in the Shredding of Enron Records By KURT
EICHENWALD http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/09/business/09ENRO.html
"David B. Duncan, the Arthur Andersen accountant,
will plead guilty to obstruction of justice for shredding
Enron-related documents and serve as a government witness."
Sometimes, in ways large and small, the "system" works. Problems
that now endanger the world could be solved -- may be partly on the
way to being solved. - - - step by step.
MD915 rshow55
3/28/02 4:29pm :
I don't think an American presidential administration in this
century has ever achieved such low credibility as the current one.
People, some inside the US, and many more outside, are getting more
willing to ask for facts - - even when the issue of deception on the
part of the United States has to be explicitly considered.
Here's a quote from a mystery story writer, Dashiell Hammet in
The Thin Man , 1933. Hammet's speaking of a sexy,
interesting, treacherous character named "Mimi". He's asked by a
police detective what to make of what she says:
" The chief thing," I advised him, "is not to
let her wear you out. When you catch her in a lie, she admits it
and gives you another lie to take its place, and when you catch he
in that one, admits it, and gives you still another, and so on.
Most people . . . get discouraged after you've caught them in the
third or fourth straight lie and fall back on the truth or
silence, but not Mimi. She keeps trying, and you've got to be
careful or you'll find yourself believing her, not because she
seems to be telling the truth, but simply because you're tired of
disbelieving her. "
The United States, in its diplomatic and military fuctions, can
be too much like that.
If world leaders want some things clarified, questions of US
veracity are going to have to be adressed. If leaders want these
matters clarified, these issues can be -- and I believe that it
would be greatly to the benefit of the United States to have them
clarified.
The "missile defense" boondoggle is a fine place to start,
because so many of the technical issues are so clear.
Gretchen Morgenson should be particularly proud. http://www.nytimes.com/ref/nyregion/08beat_reporting.1.html
So should the New York Times.
rshow55
- 11:51pm Apr 8, 2002 EST (#1211
of 1228)
MD941-42 rshow55
3/29/02 4:14pm includes this:
Almarst , as you know, I've been very concerned with a
"vast right wing conspiracy" -- dating from Eisenhower's time at the
latest, and going far beyond Scaife. I was glad to see The Smoke
Machine by PAUL KRUGMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/29/opinion/29KRUG.html
which carries an important message: "that the "vast right-wing
conspiracy" is not an overheated metaphor but a straightforward
reality, and that it works a lot like a special-interest lobby."
Krugman writes in the NYT, a careful newspaper, with many working
alliances with the "American ruling classes" - and a paper which is
reasonably careful not to "bite the hand that reads it"
Injustices that seem entrenched and unchangeable sometimes change
very completely -- for a corpus showing such a process as it has
unfolded see the articles collected in Understanding Enron http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/1/Transcripts/721/4/business/_ENRON-PRIMER.html
Almarst , it seems to me that there are more people in the
world working to get some of our concerns adressed than there have
ever been before, and that sometimes reasonable compromises get
fashioned, even between very imperfect people and groups.
. . . .
really out.
qwerty8989
- 02:19am Apr 9, 2002 EST (#1212
of 1228)
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