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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 08:03am Apr 7, 2002 EST (#1164
of 1171)
Often, for hope, matters of clear definition are vital in every
sense. ...
Lifelines to the Future By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/07/opinion/07FRIE.html
MD1127 rshow55
4/5/02 6:25pm includes this:
Not so very long ago, smallpox was one of the great killers of
all time - - and now, it is gone. Could war become extinct - or at
least the worst kinds of war?
Plenty to fear, but still, it seems possible -- and maybe
possible pretty soon.
"All" we'd really have to do (not that it would be easy) would be
1. to get better about "connecting the dots" -
since most wars occur, escalate, and go out of control in ways
that require fictions.
and
2. to really learn how dangerous people really
are, and how they are dangerous - so we could know enough to avoid
putting individuals and groups into "fight to the death" modes.
I think what Friedman has to say about the emotional immediacy
that comes from our new communication links is important, and
hopeful. We're being wrenched when we should be wrenched --
and that may help us make sane, decent decisions.
It would help, as we learn to make sane, decent decisions, for us
to come to understand how incredible messes, like the "missile
defense" boondoggle, and like the Enron mess, actually happen. The
more clearly we understand these things, the better we can do in the
future.
MD1075 rshow55
4/4/02 12:17pm ... MD1076 rshow55
4/4/02 12:20pm
lchic
- 08:53am Apr 7, 2002 EST (#1165
of 1171)
Read Friedman piece. A question to ask is 'who pays the rent' and
if they don't why not? A further thought is why should areas be run
by cult rather than civillian government. The value of a cult
culture may be that it gives guidelines to live by, but when that's
failing, then why would people want to stay with these cults ..
Abraham 101, 102, 103 ?
lchic
- 09:38am Apr 7, 2002 EST (#1166
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- 02:45pm Apr 7, 2002 EST (#1167
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Peace now By IGNACIO RAMONET LeMondeDiplomatic
Translation
Peace, all peace, counters the territories, all the territories.
Proposed last February by prince Abdallah and subjected to the Arab
top of Beirut, the saoudien plan has the merit of simplicity. Israel
withdraws itself on its borders of June 4, 1967, Syria recovers
Golan, a Palestinian State is created in Gaza, the West Bank and
Jerusalem-Is, and, in exchange, the twenty-two States of the Arab
League establish diplomatic relations and commercial complete with
Israel, from which they are committed guaranteeing safety (1).
Total withdrawal counters total peace. This limpid equation
aroused in the whole of the international chancelleries an
impassioned interest. The proposal however is not new: the principle
of exchange of peace against territories is registered in the
resolutions 242 (of 1967) and 338 (of 1973) adopted by the Security
Council of the United Nations. A precedent exists besides, because
this principle was already applied between Israel and Egypt after
the historical voyage of Anouar Al-Sadate in Jerusalem in 1977 and
the signature of peace between the two countries. Israel restored
the peninsula of the Sinai and, in spite of the opposition of the
extreme right-hand side, dismantled the colonies which had been
established there.
It is also on the basis of this postulate that were led the
Conference of Madrid in 1991 and signed the agreement of Oslo, from
now on torn, between Israéliens and Palestinians. Negotiations of
Camp David July 2000, right before the explosion of second Intifada,
then those known as of the "last chance" with Taba (2), in January
2001, also rested on this principle.
Why this initiative saoudienne raise does nevertheless a so great
hope? Because it arrives at the good moment. When simultaneously
three dynamic becomes exhausted which suddenly finds in the saoudien
plan a pretext to mask their respective failure.
Initially, strategy of violence chosen by the General Ariel
Sharon to make fold the Palestinians and force them to accept, in
the name of "Large Israel", the final colonization (3) of part of
the territories internationally recognized like pertaining to
Palestine. The exaggerated use of the force, with use of
disproportionate means of combat (warships, F16 hunters, helicopters
armoured, heavy tanks) against a largely disarmed civil population
did not produce the required effect. On the contrary. Never the
Israelis had as many human losses (4), never the insecurity, inside
even of Israel, was not also tall.
In addition, the crimes committed by the army at the time of the
occupations of the towns of the West Bank degraded much, on an
international scale, the image of Israel, nauseating even its own
citizens (5). The humane organization B' Tselem, for example,
declared on March 12 last: "In each city or refugee camp whom
they entered, the Israeli soldiers repeated the same acts: to draw
without reserve and to kill out of civil innocent, intentionally to
destroy the drinkable water pipelines and the infrastructures of
electricity and telephone, to invade and damage private houses, to
draw on ambulances and to prevent from carrying care to wounded... "
Within the army, the number of courageous officers who say" not
"does not cease growing (6). Lastly, the public opinion polls
confirm that 60 % of the Israelis are in favour of the evacuation of
certain colonies, 63 % for the establishment of a Palestinian State,
and 67 % dissatisfied with the General Sharon (7).
The second dynamics which becomes exhausted, the resistance of
the Palestinians. Even if she does not want to admit it, the
population is with end. The received blows were considerable, of
many leaders of armed organizations were liquidated, victims D '
"executions targeted", and the infrastructures of the embryo of
Palestinian State are in ruin. Despair thus sown feeds the criminal
strategy of the attack-sui
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