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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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kangdawei
- 09:04pm Sep 29, 2001 EST (#9958
of 9965)
applez101
- 05:11pm Sep 29
What should be funded? Well, consolidating our
intelligence services might be a good start, as well as improving
salaries to prevent more Ames turncoats from arising (either by
decreasing the likelihood of their mercenary habit taking over; or
by improving the controls the organisation has to deal with these
sort of individuals earlier on). This may actually present
cost-savings as duplication of effort is reduced. Greater, more
widely distributed civilian police forces (and get away from this
horrendous paramilitarisation in the form of SWAT teams) who *are*
the frontline for these types of 'asymmetrical attacks.' And
desperately improve the consular services who are the real
gatekeepers for all visitors to the US, those who desire at least
some form of documented entry. Again, better linkage to INS may be
advisable.
This list is a) irrelevant to the problem of global positioning
of forces b) will be done whether or not we have a missle defense,
c) doens't really contain any military items at all.
So your answer on where to spend increased military funds:
nowhere.
It's what I thought.
Scratch an anti-NMD person and you find an anti-military-spending
person.
rshowalter
- 09:07pm Sep 29, 2001 EST (#9959
of 9965) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I think that's a fine place for me to leave tonight.
I do wonder about the question of fact - - that "none of the
bad guys believe that NMD is a hoax"
Maybe that's so.
But it seems to me, just looking at political considerations,
that the Bush administration is spending an enormous amount of
political capital on a bluff.
For the world to get better, we have to conduct more of our
business in clear.
It is safe to do so.
And unsafe not to.
Out.
kangdawei
- 09:13pm Sep 29, 2001 EST (#9960
of 9965)
Your calling it a "bluff" doesn't make it so.
And it won't work as a "bluff" unless it works as a technology.
And the bad-guys know the difference between bluff and reality.
To paraphrase the punch-line of an old joke, "they may be crazy,
but they aren't stupid".
They leave the stupidity to the "peace movements" of the west (in
whatever guise those peace-movements take).
rshowalter
- 09:39pm Sep 29, 2001 EST (#9961
of 9965) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
kangdawei
9/29/01 9:13pm includes this:
it won't work as a "bluff" unless it works as a
technology.
....
We agree about that.
MD9898 rshowalter
9/29/01 10:08am ... MD9899 rshowalter
9/29/01 10:14am MD9900 rshowalter
9/29/01 10:28am
Right answers matter. Compared to alternatives, at least for
honest people and organizations, checking is cheap.
kangdawei
- 09:43pm Sep 29, 2001 EST (#9962
of 9965)
Missile
Defense: The Time Is Now
Talk has never served missile defense well. In
1993, the Clinton administration slashed funding for the project,
denying that the U.S. faced a missile threat at all. When the
Rumsfeld Commission in 1998 exposed that position as wishful
thinking, the administration resorted to the next best way to kill
missile defense — consulting with the Russians. From early 1999 to
the bitter end, the administration talked to the Russians about
modifying the ABM Treaty to allow for a limited defense system.
The talks never actually rose to the level of full-blown
"negotiations" because the Russians insisted they would only
"discuss" the treaty, not negotiate changes.
So, this process was born in appeasement and sustained by
niggling legal hairsplitting. The Clinton administration proposed
a missile system with Russian sensitivities (such as they are) in
mind. The U.S. would ignore the threat coming from Iran or Iraq
because defenses stationed in the American Northeast — with radars
located in England and Greenland — might seem capable of defending
against Russian missiles as well. Instead, then, the U.S. would
focus in the other direction, on the threat from the Far East. One
antimissile site would be built in Alaska as a first step that
would assuage Russian fears and allow the U.S. eventually to
convince Putin & Co. to accept a more advanced system.
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