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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?

rshowalter - 08:23pm Sep 26, 2001 EST (#9857 of 9863)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

armel7 9/25/01 3:57pm

"how about now you wait for gisterme to respond to your 6 new posts before you post any more."

Did you mean wait forever? I wouldn't guess you did, but correct that if I'm wrong.

If permitted, I'd like to set out some links where gisterme said specific things - - and I said specific things -- on the same simple matters. To show the sort of simple questions of fact where I believe others would agree that checking to closure is possible and desirable.

About things that are "applied scientific" things - - - simple engineering.

With permission from Armel, I'd post those links. If I don't have that permission by 11:00 tomorrow, I'll delete this.

mazza9 - 11:02pm Sep 26, 2001 EST (#9858 of 9863)
Louis Mazza

Well, I watched this forum after my post

mazza9 - 04:20pm Sep 25, 2001 EST (#9856 of 9857)

Lo and Behold, FOUR hours with no show off in sight?

BMD will work. Our homeland defense must be layered to address all threats. With accurate surveillance and real time threat analysis we can "hit the bullet with a bullet". I sure don't want to see San Fran, LA, Chi, Dal, Mia, NY, or any other US city fried by North Korean, Iranian, Iraqi etc missile with a weapon of mass destruction on board.

Let's talk missile defense not "missive" defense.

LouMazza

kangdawei - 11:17pm Sep 26, 2001 EST (#9859 of 9863)

BMD will work. Our homeland defense must be layered to address all threats. With accurate surveillance and real time threat analysis we can "hit the bullet with a bullet". I sure don't want to see San Fran, LA, Chi, Dal, Mia, NY, or any other US city fried by North Korean, Iranian, Iraqi etc missile with a weapon of mass destruction on board.

Bears repeating.

And let me add one more thing: without missle defense, the USA starts to lose the political advantage. When Iraq has ICBM capability, it doesn't have to use that capability to start changing the political landscape in the Gulf, in the Mideast, and on the Eurasian landmass. Dramatically.

As was proved in the Cold War, weapons expenditures defeat governments. Reagan spend the Soviets into oblivion. Without ever once launching a missle.

The existense of a USA-missle-defence system will be a political weapon as much as a military one.

rshowalter - 07:25am Sep 27, 2001 EST (#9860 of 9863)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Giving George Johnson free passes at me, when I've been asked to step back, isn't pleasant, but he does raise good points - - and show patterns that, for reasonable solution of problems, we have to get away from.

I'll delete this, and rshowalter 9/26/01 8:23pm, by 11:00 NY time, unless Armel gives me permission to post - - and give gisterme , who may be busy with some other things, more time.

If permitted, I'd like to post the specific things I talked about in rshowalter 9/26/01 8:23pm , and wait for a while.

I would ask this of people who can search this thread, and look at what "LouMazza" and some other George Johnson figures have written (and what almarst and other posters think of Johnson's past performances).

With the patterns of evasions that Johnson's figures show, how are we to avoid the propagation of lies, and messes, that are ugly, dishonorable, and dangerous? Dangerous to us and to others, in ways that we can predict, and ways that we cannot.

George Johnson is a master, when he wishes to be, of clear statement. He is also a master at evading, destroying, or dissipating focus in any discussion -- a skill he's put on show here.

There are problems to solve that will take getting facts straight . In my interactions with George Johnson, over three years now, that is the one thing he stands most consistently against, whenever it goes against any "status quo" position.

Americans need to be WORTHY of the GOOD THINGS people associate with this flag - - not just wave it. . . . Our allies, and people all over the world, should be able to expect that. And able to check that.

mazza9 - 10:16am Sep 27, 2001 EST (#9861 of 9863)
Louis Mazza

Hey Showoff:

My name is Louis Mazza, my posts can be found in the Future Energy, Global Warming and Space Exploration forums. I don't use an alias since I have nothing to hide. Your paranoia suggests that you are not fit to be discussing missile defense since your mindset can be called into question.

I was a Cold War warrior assigned to the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot North Dakota in the early 70's. I had Top Secret SIOP ESI access and worked in the Operations Plans division of the Bomb Wing. My job was to provide the communications support to the nuclear war planning actions and I was privy every aspect of the individual missions from take off to recovery. As the base frequency manager I was also aware of the testing and validation activities of the National Missile Defense system that was being installed midway between our base and Grand Forks AFB. This system was "traded away" as a part of the 1972 BMD treaty with the former Soviet Union, (which no longer exists so that treaty has as much force as the treaty between Czarist Russia and The Confederate States of America!!!)

That system would have worked!

Stop calling me GEORGE!

LouMazza

rshowalter - 10:21am Sep 27, 2001 EST (#9862 of 9863)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Why don't we have a videoconference? Wouldn't be hard to do.

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