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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
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lunarchick
- 05:52pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9489
of 9524) lunarchick@www.com
CONDI - giving a news conference http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/
lunarchick
- 05:57pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9490
of 9524) lunarchick@www.com
Bwsh meets Megawati - 1/4 billion muslim - leader, today.
applez101
- 05:59pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9491
of 9524)
Reading an op-ed piece in the Wash Post titled 'Surgical Strike
vs. Mass Strike' or somesuch, a thought occurred to me.
I support wholeheartedly the most surgical strike in our arsenal:
arrest.
lunarchick
- 06:02pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9492
of 9524) lunarchick@www.com
gouging an eye or pulling a tooth ?
lunarchick
- 06:05pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9493
of 9524) lunarchick@www.com
Heard the whole terrorist cell thing described as 'cockroaches in
a building' .. remove one .. and a thousand the same still abound.
Doesn't it come back to truth and logical thinking - in the heads
of individual world citizens. Restore real brain, remove prosthetic.
lunarchick
- 06:09pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9494
of 9524) lunarchick@www.com
On a positive note ... America turned up a 70's terrorist
recently .. he'd resumed a normal head, lived in the suburbs, with
family, worked a job of community value and standing.
Seems 'terrorists' are just normal people who've gone down a
oneway track fanned by a fanatic belief systems. But really they
want things to be good and conform .. so how can all the cockroach
brains be re-aligned?
rshowalter
- 08:13pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9495
of 9524) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
A key thing is acknowledging the past -- and sometimes it would
make sense for there to be some apologies, both ways.
rshowalter
- 08:33pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9496
of 9524) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD2224 rshowalter
4/13/01 6:16pm ...starts: I thought Thomasl L. Friedman's
One Nation, 3 Lessons http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/13/opinion/13FRIE.html
was a fine piece, though a Russian or a moralist might be offended
by some of it. For the parts I liked best, that doesn't matter;
Friedman's last paragraph is very good advice for any nation state,
dealing with any other. I'm abridging, modifying, and generalizing
it here.
MD2225 rshowalter
4/13/01 6:18pm MD2226 rshowalter
4/13/01 6:34pm
but almarst objected, in ways I found surprising, but
interesting and valid.
MD2227 almarst-2001
4/13/01 11:29pm ... MD2228 almarst-2001
4/13/01 11:31pm
MD2229 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?224@184.WDXhafpzvbe^1946516@354441@.f0ce57b
... reads:
"Authoritarian regimes, having little legitimacy,
can almost never admit a mistake."
"Let's look at "Democtatic" regimes:
"Japan did not admit its crimes in WWII,
"Britain, France, Holland and Belgium did not admit their crimes
of colonialism
"Turkey did not admit genicid against Armenians.
"US did not admit its own criminal behavier - the use of Atomic
bombs and bombing of Dresden aganst civilian population, napalm and
agent Orange in viuetnam, massaceres of civilians in Korea, support
for blody Dictatorships and terrorists around the glob, bombing of
Serbia and many many more.
. . . . all good points. I responded with ... MD2230-2234 rshowalter
4/14/01 5:50am .. which includes this:
"To get rid of lies that have been hidden in the past, and to
make a world where "everybody's reading off the same page" possible,
some appropriate apologies, that match what actually happened, are
going to be necessary.
"Quite often, because both circumstances and people are so
complex, apologies in both directions, each for limited, specific
reasons."
rshowalter
- 08:36pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9497
of 9524) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I'm going to leave it there a while.. It isn't that some wrongs
don't have to be righted.
But for justice to work, people have to be "reading off the same
page" in the ways that are needed so that unnecessary or
unnecessarily explosive fights can be avoided.
lunarchick
- 08:55pm Sep 19, 2001 EST (#9498
of 9524) lunarchick@www.com
'we are a 'megadiverse' country'
Politician describing Australia / Canberra
Any advance on that? :)
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