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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 07:09pm Sep 16, 2001 EST (#9227
of 9249) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
One wonders - - do people in the US care about little
children, if they don't happen to be American?
Sometimes, the answer is an emphatic yes.
Other times, the callousness is astounding.
. . .
It may be that, for human animals to feel empathy for someone,
they first have to have at least a little bit of fear for
that person. I sometimes suspect that.
If that's so, the chances for human warmth and empathy may have
gone up.
We should declare a "war" on terror.
One that almarst could support.
It would be entirely practical to do. To get there, from where we
are, what's mostly needed is checking of facts.
Including this one. We cannot hope to be "completely defended."
One reason for empathy is warmth. Another is fear.
Both have a role to play, and perhaps roles that are
interconnected.
It may be that, all over America, people are getting clear about
what real bombing feels like.
Even what it feels like, for people who are, in many other
ways, different from themselves.
We need to step back from many of the horrors that became
"standard and expected" in the 20th century.
applez101
- 07:52pm Sep 16, 2001 EST (#9228
of 9249)
On recent events and missile defence:
Firstly, I think it is the height of misunderstanding to think
our real enemy is the particular terrorist organisation that
perpetrated these crimes - indeed, the real enemy is an ideology of
radical militancy...the belief that I am right, you are wrong, and
there is no possibility of conviviality. This is an idea that has
spread past all borders and all ethnic groups.
Secondly, no amount of precision munitions or heroic soldiery
will change this pattern of belief, if anything, it will only add
fuel to its sense of righteousness.
Thirdly, what the events of Tuesday 11 September demonstrate most
clearly to me is the overwhelming need for improved intelligence -
not more tech solutions, but greater global awareness of events
everywhere, and flexible policies to both decrease risk, and to put
together proactive responses.^
Fourthly, if and when we find the network that inflicted these
crimes, it would be a mistake to pursue summary executions (via
military strike for example) or to pursue capital punishment. I know
a bloodthirsty America isn't going to like anything else: but do we
want to solve this problem or don't we? Rudolph Hess-style
imprisonment will be much more effective (avoiding martyrdom of
these criminals), especially if used in conjunction with a long-term
strategy to decrease our risk.#
^If President Bush is willing to admit that this is a 'new kind
of war' then he'd better be ready to admit that our classic
strengths, in military and technology may be ineffective tools for
the problem at hand.
#'Idle hands are the Devil's workshop' - with unemployment
running at near 20% in the Gaza Strip, is it any wonder that anger
can quickly translate into suicide bomber volunteers? And that's in
a place with greater economic opportunities than Afghanistan.
Let's solve the problem, not pulverize more ruined mud huts and
spill more 'collateral' blood to sate our own lusts.
rshowalter
- 08:15pm Sep 16, 2001 EST (#9229
of 9249) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The very best intelligence is the kind that people in a community
get from each other.
We need to protect ourselves -- and protect each other.
That may seem simplistic, but in real societies --for real people
-- that's where safety lies.
. . .
There was so much interesting, good stuff in The New York
Times today that I was overwhelmed, and very impressed.
Including a wonderful piece by George Johnson.
With so many smart people, maybe we can pull through things.
. . .
Out for tonight.
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