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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 06:48pm Sep 16, 2001 EST (#9222
of 9229)
lunarchick@www.com
:) One of the BBC Talking Point callers used the word 'love'
(aphrodite would approve) .. just caught this
floating through the ether - it's not, no it can't be ... it's not
_______ or is it? Looks like, but - can't be ... no USA flag in
sight(s).
lunarchick
- 06:52pm Sep 16, 2001 EST (#9223
of 9229)
lunarchick@www.com
If Bwsh has a supposed ( i'm cautious here - especially when the
time in the Corps can't be validated) business background:
Then how different the magnitude of throwing a Nation into a head
to head collision .. than, say ... coaching little leaguers on the
Whitehouse lawn!
rshowalter
- 06:53pm Sep 16, 2001 EST (#9224
of 9229) 
Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD6013 rshowalter
6/25/01 4:05pm
http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/361
is posting #307 of Paradigm Shift .... whose getting there? ,
a Guardian TALK thread that I'm very proud of.
A person with academic, especially dean duty experience,
(Condoleezza Rice, for example) might find the following passage
especially interesting.
" If "civility" means "deference to established
intellectual property rights, and territorial divisions" then
"civility" is the death knell of certain essential kinds of
progress. Checking can be deferred, and discussion can be deferred
indefinitely, especially according to the standard academic and
diplomatic patterns described by John Kay in http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/highlights/essay_kay_lostcause/index.html
When it is important enough, there needs to be mechanisms to get
questions of fact and logic in science (or military matters)
CHECKED . When the stakes are high enough, that checking
needs to be morally forcing.
The idea that checking should be morally forcing seems new, and
is a distinctly minority position. But for want of that ethical
stance, some really terrible choices have been made in the past, and
will be made in the future.
***
Here are some references, to the Riley-Showalter "paradigm
thread, that I think describe, in a new and clearer way, how
paradigm conflict works.
306-310: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/360
313-317: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/367
166-167: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/209
Here are more links to the Riley-Showalter "paradigm" thread" --
of lower priority, but perhaps useful:
26: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/33
93-95: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/118
215-217: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/259
221-222: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/265
261-262: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/310
273-274: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/324
and something for academic folk: 295-297: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/349
. . . .
On what I mean by " morally forcing ". I can swim. It
seems to me that if I'm passing by a drowning kid, who I can easily
save, I'm morally forced to do it.
Others, seeing me do it, might admire me for doing my duty.
But if they knew I walked by -- and let the kid drown -- they'd
blame me. And I'd blame myself.
I'm using "morally forcing" in that sense. for credible
checking, by a process that could itself be checked.
lunarchick
- 06:58pm Sep 16, 2001 EST (#9225
of 9229)
lunarchick@www.com
Digressing here. The effect of Tragic Tuesday on the children has
been mentioned by media. One comment by a child to his mother as
people threw themselves off the towers was ... "Is there anybody
below to catch them mommy?"
In Bianculli, David (1994) Teleliteracy p173. Peter
Jennings, on children and the gulf war, said talk to them as if they
are adults - but simply.
How do children come to terms with prolonged bombing and warfare
- OUTSIDE the USA ?
This seems to be a point rarely if ever seriously mentioned by
media.
What effect are irresponsible headlines such as Rupert Murdock -
Newscorp - New York Post "WAR" .. having on little children
in the US and elsewhere?
lunarchick
- 07:07pm Sep 16, 2001 EST (#9226
of 9229)
lunarchick@www.com
Business
has returned to ethics.
DOD
have thoughts on it. But when push comes to shove and it's war
... are ethics and morals seen to have a place?
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