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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 06:35pm Sep 15, 2001 EST (#9129
of 9144) lunarchick@www.com
rshowalter
9/15/01 6:33pm I guessed as much !
rshowalter
- 06:41pm Sep 15, 2001 EST (#9130
of 9144) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Sometimes I wish people had sense enough to see things that "even
a monkey could see."
I think the " Koko series" MD6559 lunarchick
7/4/01 8:27pm to MD6597 rshowalter
7/4/01 10:23pm fits and is entertaining here.
MD8299 rshowalter
9/1/01 2:15pm
gisterme
- 06:41pm Sep 15, 2001 EST (#9131
of 9144)
almarst wrote ( almarst-2001
9/14/01 10:30pm ):
"... Where are American religious and civil communities at the
need to restrain its evil deeds? ..."
What evil deeds almarst? Do you mean putting a stop to
this ?
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/eur/balkans/kosovo/hrreport/atrocit.htm
If that's what you mean, those establishments were were right
there whole-heartedly supporting a just cause.
There was a double evil in Kosovo. Now there is only a
single evil. The chains witholding the removal of the second
problem have been removed by the events of this past week. Solving
that will require a lot more American sacrefice than
solving the first. Serbia is free. Their former bloody tyrant could
have prevented both the NATO bombing of Serbia and his
own demise by putting a stop to the events of the referenced link
with a single order. He didn't. He didn't do that, even after
multiple warnings. Too bad for those who lost their lives because of
his hatred. That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. The
nature of Milosevic's hatred identical to the present hatred we're
now going to destroy...it just existed on a smaller scale.
Don't be so quick to judge America before all this is over. Don't
call the game at half-time. America will sacrefice much of its
wealth and many brave souls to lead the free world in the
destruction of international terrorism. Free Serbia will benefit
from that as much as all the rest of the world, including the
Islamic world. The recent attack on the US has focused its people,
virtually all of them, to a singularity of purpose not seen
in our entire history...not even after Pearl Harbor. Americans did
not get to see Pearl Harbor happen in real time...and the level of
treachery in this case is not even argueable as it was in
that.
The US has always been reluctant to go to war. The first
Great War had raged for a year and was going badly for our friends
before the US intervened. That war started in the Balkans. WWII had
raged for over a year and was going badly for our frinds before the
US intervened, only after being attacked had having war declared on
it by Hitler. By the standard of those wars and by the
standard of what's coming, in hindsight, Kosovo will seem like a
minor skrimish.
Nations, like individuals sometimes make mistakes; but life goes
on and more importantly, the world goes on. If you want to
argue more about the removal of an evil dictator from Serbia, please
wait until the present world war is over. If I'm still here,
I'll be glad to accomodate. However, I suspect that by that
time most interest in the topic will have been overcome by events.
OBE. I also expect that by that time, Serbia, Russia and the USA
will have become mutually trusted friends and allies.
Almarst, I sincerely regret the shedding of innocent blood
wherever it may happen. You've seen my posts and I promise you that
they are all sincere. I give you personally my word
of honor, almarst, that I have no agendas that are not
right there in
lunarchick
- 06:43pm Sep 15, 2001 EST (#9132
of 9144) lunarchick@www.com
Recalling Steve talking about crocs .. he knows they have set
reflexes (this fits in with the BushBwsh mentalities). He knows when
to be close, when to step back, and that crocs protecting a 'nest'
can be particularly aggressive.
Thinking of Alex the nest was oil. Moving on from oil the money
indirectly came from oil. This also fanned potentials to 'protect'
Islam.
On this logic Islam sounds so weak it's almost man made. Perhaps
the version of Islam up for protection is the man-made version.
Perhaps it isn't even religion - just man-made dogma. A splinter of
what was religion - and far removed from the presumably good
intentions of the eigth century prophet.
Taking stock - what are original islamic principals - (not the
contaminated versions) - and how would a true islamic view
holistically this world?
Having histories of the balkans presented over the last decade -
i noted - that christians and moslims both, shared the SAME churches
- holding their services and looking after their peoples, throughout
the centuries. Less fragmentation then, than now.
rshowalter
- 06:44pm Sep 15, 2001 EST (#9133
of 9144) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
If the US can handle this situation in a way that M0ST of the
world regards as honorable, that would be wonderful.
It ought to be possible, too.
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