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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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gisterme
- 05:44pm Sep 13, 2001 EST (#8969
of 8980)
I'm glad you got the point of what I was saying, Robert. Our
enemy is much less flexible and resiliant than we are. He has even
more to fear from complexity than we do...and can only wage war
effectively against us if we act in a predictable way.
Another thing we do know about this enemy is that he has
finite resources. He can do his worst to us all; but, only until his
resources are expended. Even if he manages to nuke some city here or
elsewhere, tragic as that would be, that won't kill freedom and it
certanly won't spare him. It would just remind all the brotherhood
of western civilization that we must never again forget that freedom
is not free. Like precious gold, if left unattended, freedom will
surely dissappear.
The condition of freedom in the world right now is one of
"illness"; but, the world's immune system has already begun working
to expell the disease. In the long run, love will always overcome
hatred, kindness will always overcome malice and that which is good
will overcome that which is evil.
We must remember that, as demonstrated by Hitler, the real
objective of evil is to spill as much blood as possible. There's no
distinction there beween the innocent and the guilty. It's only
volume that counts. The more we can reduce the volume of
blood-letting in this war, the less we satisfy evil. Given the
extraodinary circumstances of the situation we should take
extraordinary measures to uncover the heart of this evil. Once
that's revealed the thrust needs to be swift and final. I'm certain
that all peace-loving peoples, whatever their culture may be, will
offer all the help they can toward revealing the heart of this
common enemy.
rshowalter
- 06:18pm Sep 13, 2001 EST (#8970
of 8980) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
gisterme
9/13/01 5:44pm ... you better be certain of that.
Just be sure that you're dealing with the common enemy in
the ways that allies feel comfortable about.
gisterme , we've both agreed that we'd like a "world
without nukes" - - and we'd like a world with less terror ,
not more.
Just a suggestion. Given the number of possibilities, when you
set up an attack -- at least do the exercise -- how can you attack
them multiple ways at once.
The best attacks, historically, have mostly had the following
characteristic
1. Set 'em up for a specific attack, that sets up their forces in
a predictable way.
2. Hit them from another dimension, where there defensive setup,
for the attack they thought they were facing, disarms, or nearly
disarms them.
3. Reduce them to disarray, and take 'em down.
(Several switches may be necessary to get to disarray.)
MOST OF ALL , whatever you do, have your allies
really behind you.
AND HAVE AN END GAME -- this is absolutely essential. One
that works -- not a botch like the Desart Storm war -- which looked
like a masterpiece, and ended as a travesty.
If you can't do that, you can easily go slam-banging into
disaster.
If you can't do that, it is better to do nothing.
rshowalter
- 06:20pm Sep 13, 2001 EST (#8971
of 8980) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Think hard about doing nothing.
Are the consequences really so bad?
(No kidding - - doing nothing is an important option --
and usually better than doing something wrong.)
rshowalter
- 06:26pm Sep 13, 2001 EST (#8972
of 8980) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Especially this time.
Can you really get your allies behind you?
If not, you better think hard about why you can't, and fix
the fixable.
Deaths so far are nothing compared to what could happen if
you botch this.
The Russians , the Chinese , and many other
countries have to accept what you're doing, or the long term
consequences are likely to be counter-productive.
You have to think of consequences, you have to be right, and you
have to do the best you can -- with awareness of the grave
limitations and inflexibilities that you really have.
If you had a real world community behind you -- getting
control of terrorism would be easy.
HOW HARD HAVE YOU WORKED AT THAT?
rshowalter
- 06:28pm Sep 13, 2001 EST (#8973
of 8980) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
For instance, you better understand clearly , the reasons
why almarst has expressed so many criticisms of the United
States here.
The Bush administration should act to make things better ,
not worse.
If you're doing the opposite, other nations in the world have
plenty of reasons to resist. And a lot of effective ways to do so.
rshowalter
- 06:32pm Sep 13, 2001 EST (#8974
of 8980) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The Bush administration isn't necessarily going into this thing
with lily white hands.
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