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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 04:34pm Sep 11, 2001 EST (#8791
of 8804) lunarchick@www.com
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lunarchick
- 04:42pm Sep 11, 2001 EST (#8792
of 8804) lunarchick@www.com
What will be America’s response? If US officials
can identify the perpetrators, or even make a plausible guess, the
response is likely to be swift and severe. Like the Israeli
government, America’s will be anxious to demonstrate that any such
attack will be met with a tough military reply. But who to attack?
The Taliban, the Islamic fundamentalists who rule Afghanistan and
shelter Mr bin Laden, quickly issued a denial that they were
involved. Even if the US finds evidence, or persuades itself, that
Mr bin Laden and his followers are the culprits, bombing that
country is unlikely to be very satisfying, or effective.
War-torn Afghanistan is already a ruin, one of the poorest
countries on earth. America bombed Mr bin Laden’s camps in
Afghanistan after the East African bombings—as well as a
pharmaceuticals factory in Sudan that it said was manufacturing
and storing chemical weapons for terrorists—but such actions seem
to have had little effect. American military planners may also be
debating whether to put American troops into Afghanistan
temporarily to hunt down Mr bin Laden and his cronies. But such a
move has enormous risks, not only of casualties, but also of
tipping neighbouring Pakistan into chaos. In the longer term,
American investigators stand a good chance of tracking down at least
some of those responsible. Starting with no more evidence than a
fragment of the van used as a car bomb in the previous World Trade
Centre bombing, the FBI eventually traced an entire terrorist ring
based in New Jersey. A similar forensic trail led police to the
bombers of the US embassies in East Africa. Four now languish in
American prisons. (comprehensive article http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=779127
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ledzeppelin
- 04:44pm Sep 11, 2001 EST (#8793
of 8804)
Firstly I have just watched the most awful and tragic events in
New York and Washington unfold on my television set and my heartfelt
condolences and sympathies go out to all in the US especially those
whom have lost family members and friends. I can but pray that those
whom have brought about these most monstrous of atrocities be
brought swiftly to justice without delay or mercy.
Secondly for several months now it has been oft reported in the
Middle East that the likes of Osama bin Laden have been attending
meetings in the likes of Sharjah and Pakistan and the Yemen? In
addition, it is often forgotten that the bin Laden family had
substantial financial interests in US airports, therefore Bin Laden
would have unprecedented access to priviledged information about the
airports and their operations? Indeed Salem, Osama’s elder brother
died in a micro light accident at a US airshow at a US airport a
decade ago now! Whilst it is self evidently far too early to point
fingers at potential suspects. Given the level of sophistication and
the training required for suicide bombers whom can also pilot
commercial aircraft whatismore the substantive funding required to
achieve this most evil of terrorist acts. One finds it hard not to
draw conclusions even at this stage, as to whom could be responsible
for this ungodly carnage. Indeed the Taliban government spokesperson
in Pakistan would not be telling lies by stating as they did no one
currently in Afghanistan was responsible, because bin Laden is not
currently there?
almarst-2001
- 05:28pm Sep 11, 2001 EST (#8794
of 8804)
A very sad day indeed.
This is the first time the US citizens experienced the effects of
a bombing a civilian population on a least possible scale - somthing
they cheared during 78 days and nights just a short time ago.
What lesson wil be learned?
rshowalter
- 05:33pm Sep 11, 2001 EST (#8795
of 8804) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
We have to hope that the right lesson can be learned. That
bombing is terrible -- that death of innocents is bad - - and to be
avoided.
That is a lesson that need to be sensibly discussed, among
Americans, and internationally, as well.
armel7
- 05:48pm Sep 11, 2001 EST (#8796
of 8804) Science/Health Forums Host
Hi, all. I, like you, can think of nothing else beside the
tragedy today. There has been a forum established for discussion of
the WTC/pentagon attacks: rebecca_nyt
"Thousands Feared Dead in U.S. Attacks" 9/11/01 5:16pm
Let's please try to maintain order here and keep this on MD
issues.
Your host, Michael Scott Armel
lunarchick
- 07:33pm Sep 11, 2001 EST (#8797
of 8804) lunarchick@www.com
Maintain order! Yes. That's what this thread had been attempting
to do for a year, to look at MD issues and ask why haven't those
COLD WAR nukes been taken down. Why are they dressed for war
each and every night at a total cost of $30billion p.a. year in,
year out.
The WHAT IF ? this board has been concerned with it.
What if Missiles had been used. Would there be an evening, night
and tomorrow?
On an international basis the long haul flights from the USA are
just in .. landing in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, people are told
before getting off the plane ... they don't take it in .. a resident
of down town NY engages a reporter .. "What exactly has happened. My
family work in the world trade building." The reporter spells out
the events "Is there a casualty list - are there names?" .. the
enormity of events begins to register. The man starts to cry, he
break down. "There's no one to help me he says" .. he needs to make
a call. / The flight crews make their way to their hotels .. they
huddle round tv monitors - feeling very afraid.
In New York and Washington civil organisations will have orphans
to tend to, children waiting for parents to put a key in the lock
and open the door.
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Alex you're saying that for 78 days the Americans bombed Kosova.
The enormity of events affecting people on the ground, loss of life,
loss of infrastructure .. wasn't then fully comprehended by USA
nighttime news voyeurs.
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