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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?

rshowalter - 07:21pm Sep 2, 2001 EST (#8357 of 8377)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Horrific? Yes.

Have the things done by Americans, and risked in 55 years of nuclear terror been so much better? MD2809 rshowalter 4/30/01 1:23pm

Daring to Shoulder Historical Responsibility: Way to Become Big Political Power http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200104/18/eng20010418_67992.html

China expresses good and important ideals. But China sometimes acts in ugly ways, and violates the good advice in that article horribly, for example in the situation set out in WHEN LIES KILL: In China, the Right to Truth Meets Life and Death by ERIK ECKHOLM http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/17/weekinreview/17ECKH.html

" An AIDS epidemic in a rural Chinese province is only the latest example of the heavy costs of the controls on information and political choice."

Those violations don't invalidate the high ideals that the Chinese government sometimes expresses. But it is unfortunate that sometimes, though by no means always, China soils those ideals, and does so knowing, at many levels, that she can do better.

we can, too.

Lying About Vietnam by DANIEL ELLSBERG http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/29/opinion/29ELLS.html

Misreading the Pentagon Papers by LESLIE H. GELB http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/29/opinion/29GELB.html

There are problems of corruption that apply to the entire military-industrial complex now, forty years after Dwight D. Eisenhower gave his FAREWELL ADRESS http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/ikefw.htm

rshowalter - 07:23pm Sep 2, 2001 EST (#8358 of 8377)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

We have a mess. We need to fix it. Not to do everything we can to perpetuate nuclear terror, and military confrontation - as the military industrial complex often seems to be doing.

We have to be strong. We are. We should take advantage of our strength, and have the decency to make peace. Even if it costs some hard thought, and some adjustments.

Adjustments that will make us money in the end.

ndpnyt - 07:50pm Sep 2, 2001 EST (#8359 of 8377)

Please, Mr. Showalter, I beg of you, please shut up for a while and let others be heard.

This forum does not belong to you. By monopolizing it, you've ruined what could have been a very interesting and lively forum on a very important topic.

rshowalter - 07:59pm Sep 2, 2001 EST (#8360 of 8377)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

off.

mazza9 - 09:22pm Sep 2, 2001 EST (#8361 of 8377)
Louis Mazza

Scott

I agree with nypnyt. I would be willing to wager that Mr. Showalter has contributed somewhere is the neighborhood of 90% of the posts to this forum subject. Either the NY Times is sponsoring a web site for and about Mr. Showalters opinions or more control is dictated.

Not only is he long winded ofter posting 4 or more posts in a row, he doesn't stay on point. What's up?

LouMazza

red37 - 10:59pm Sep 2, 2001 EST (#8362 of 8377)

There is no way I would agree with basically sel- ling our military secrets to China! What in the world is going on here? I have a question for all the Pro-Bush people out there, is Mr. Bush dealing with a full deck in his brain? My God is going to sell us to the Highest bidder? Is he thinking he is in a movie called " Wag the Dog"? Is he trying to get us in a war to make himself look good? Sen. Arlen Septer is against this idea with China? So now he is losing people in Mr. Bush's own party. They're going to find out that Mr. Bush is insane. We are dealing with the poor state of the economy. Dealing with the skyrocketing fuel prices, high un-employment. Now he wants to get this fool hearty Star Wars thing going again. It didn't work when Mr. Reagan was in office, why would it work now! First of all everyone here seems to have forgotten that him and his brothers stole money from S&L's in the 80's. G.W and Neil stole money from Dallas and Denver Savings and Loan, while brother Jeb stole money from Sunshine Savings and Loan. Brother Jeb is now the Gov. of the embattled state of Florida. He has raided that states Medi- caid funds to benefit himself. If it were any oth- er country brother Jeb and GW. would have been deported on treason charges. But in this country we overlook things that has happened. It took Daddy Bush, in his final days in office to pardon the whole lot of them before Clinton took office. Now we are a country condemned to put up with id- iots like George Jr. Hail to the thief who stole the election of 2000! King George is going to ruin this great country. It has only taken GW. 8 1/2 months to get us in mess. Can anyone out there imagine what it will be by 2004? Is this going a country facing bankrupcy? Are we going to be in the middle of a war? Are we going to be plagued by another generation of Bushes out there? God I hope not.

ndpnyt - 12:27am Sep 3, 2001 EST (#8363 of 8377)

rshowalter 9/2/01 7:59pm

Thanks, Mr. Showalter. All we're asking you to do is to be reasonable. And, as Lou Mazza asks, please try to stick to the subject. The other matters you raise are important too and need to be discussed. But in other forums, not this one.

Again, thank you.

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