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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 03:02pm Aug 30, 2001 EST (#8244
of 8253) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Dialog between India and Australia is a good thing, too.
" India and Australia are among the few
countries sympathetic to President Bush's planned missile defense
system which sparked major concerns in Russia, Europe and
China."
India and Australia need to have reasons for what they're doing,
and an understanding of their roles and opportunities. Based on
clear ideas and facts.
India and Australia Start Security Dialogue by REUTERS http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-india-australia.html
rshowalter
- 03:03pm Aug 30, 2001 EST (#8245
of 8253) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I believe that there are real chances for real peace, including
nuclear disarmament, and that the world may be tending in that
direction.
MD8068 rshowalter
8/23/01 5:42pm ... MD8069 rshowalter
8/23/01 5:43pm
rshowalter
- 03:05pm Aug 30, 2001 EST (#8246
of 8253) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The Science - Missile Defense thread is extensive, and somewhat
specialized.
A summary of it, with many links, is set out in the following
links. The summary says something about what's been done here, and
what there might be to hope for, using some of the kinds of
interaction that have happened on this thread.
MD8062 rshowalter
8/23/01 5:34pm ... MD8063 rshowalter
8/23/01 5:35pm MD8064 rshowalter
8/23/01 5:36pm ... MD8065 rshowalter
8/23/01 5:36pm MD8067 rshowalter
8/23/01 5:41pm ...
rshowalter
- 03:05pm Aug 30, 2001 EST (#8247
of 8253) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Struggling to justify expenditure levels and roles no longer
justified. $1500 american, year after year, is a lot for America to
spend on its military function.
MD8070 rshowalter
8/23/01 6:45pm . . MD#8071 rshowalter
8/23/01 8:49pm MD8072 lunarchick
8/23/01 9:03pm ... MD8073 rshowalter
8/23/01 9:18pm
Some things need to be made clear - - at the levels it
actually takes, for the people actually involved.
rshowalter
- 03:06pm Aug 30, 2001 EST (#8248
of 8253) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD8075 lunarchick
8/23/01 9:57pm .... MD8076 rshowalter
8/23/01 10:13pm
"Can negotiated peace be done once - done right?"
At the level of exemplars, on the primal things involving nuclear
weapons and controls, that will preserve the world -- I think the
answer is yes.
But only if, when the stakes are high enough, finding the
empirical truth, on key questions of fact , is morally
forcing.
That puts pressures on journalism , world wide, that need
to be adressed.
It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to find ways to keep the
world from being reduced to a charred ball, containing no life, but
only rotting
unburied corpses.
That ought not to be beyond us.
The risks of world destruction, are very real.
rshowalter
- 03:10pm Aug 30, 2001 EST (#8249
of 8253) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
But human ingenuity is real, too. We need to find ways where we
avoid compromises, when the real solution is to find
arrangements that meet the real and reasonable needs
of all concerned, without compromising needs that should not be
compromised.
We need arrangements where both the US, and Russia, and other
countries involved, too, are more secure , more
emotionally comfortable , and richer after reframing
relationships, and after readjustments, than they are now.
I believe that, if we avoid deceptions, and work with the world
as it is, without illusions, we can take the world's military risks,
including nuclear risks, way down. And have a reasonable chance, in
the not too distant future, of eliminating nuclear weapons.
And can go on living, along the continuum of trust and distrust
that is the natural state between people and nations. With
deterrances in place where they are needed, as well as incentives.
More safely than now.
A little bit of an "arms race" may be in order, in spots, to see
that agressive weapons, that are not now obsolete, but ought to be,
become so.
But the main thing needed for stability, from where we are, is
more openness , and more ability to check facts so
that those facts, and their consequences, cannot be evaded.
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