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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 11:16am Aug 23, 2001 EST (#8047
of 8051) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I'm hoping, finally, to be involved in a little drama where a
very few "islands of fact" about missile defense are checked
, because the consequences of wrong answers, on the points, should
be ugly to almost everyone who is reasonably honest and responsible.
Let me take some time to do some summarizing -- not artfully --
but about points that I think matter - for having the end of the
Cold War a comedy, rather than a tragedy.
There are some SERIOUS tragedies, some involving great human cost
and tragedy, that concern the notion of "paradigm conflict" -- and
there is a serous lesson in the "little dramas" that paradigm
conflict involves -- it is that key facts matter, and must be
checked, especially when powerful emotional forces resist
that checking. MD7635 rshowalter
7/31/01 7:48am ... MD7636 lunarchick
7/31/01 8:22am
An institutional response, for scientific checking, which
reflects a need for safeguards is suggested in rshowalt
"Science in the News" 1/4/00 7:43am ... rshowalt
"Science in the News" 1/4/00 7:45am rshowalt
"Science in the News" 1/4/00 7:46am
Issues about facts, related to the credibility of the TIMES, are
discussed in rshowalt
"Science in the News" 11/1/00 7:00am ... rshowalt
"Science in the News" 11/1/00 9:50am rshowalt
"Science in the News" 11/1/00 9:55am
rshowalter
- 02:55pm Aug 23, 2001 EST (#8048
of 8051) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Some interesting MD news today.
U.S., China Discuss Missiles By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-China-US.html
U.S., China Begin Missile Talks in Beijing By REUTERS http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-china-usa.html
U.S. Envoy Says Russia Has Time in Missile Talks by
MICHAEL WINES http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/23/international/europe/23MISS.html
I've wondered about the "reality sense" of the Americans from
time to time.
But I also wonder about the "reality sense" of the Russians.
And sometimes about unworkable assumptions both sides may be
making. Particularly with fixations on "deterrance" as nuclear
deterrance, when other kinds of deterrance would make much more
sense, and are now very available.
Also, I'm worried about a very bad, dangerous, self defeating
characteristic of Russians as a nation -- a basic fact that has
reduced their military effectiveness for many years, and that gets
them in trouble in negotiations, too. When threatened, Russians are
very likely to bristle - become rigid, and become determined to
fight. Other people do this, too, but the Russians a good deal more
than most.
That is a problem negotiating with Americans, who bluff and
threaten in more diverse ways, and with more virtuosity, than
Russians commonly do.
In military history, and in some negotiations, too, Russians
attack reflexively, quickly, but in disarray, and get clobbered too
often.
It would be unfortunate if Russians are tempted to act that way
here -- there is both too much to fear, and too much to hope, for
such intellectually indisciplined and course tactics.
rshowalter
- 02:58pm Aug 23, 2001 EST (#8049
of 8051) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Russia and the United States are different nation states, with
different interests and cultures. They are, inevitably,
potential enemies -- military forces on both sides have to
think about it that way, to do their job.
Russia, as a competent nation state, has to have competent,
sufficient ways to keep the United States from doing things against
its interest - and the threat of force, and inflicting injury, can't
ever be eliminated from the sphere of possibilities. Not now.
Not ever.
As of now, and far into the forseeable future, Russia ought to
have amply sufficient ways to deter the United States -- and if she
does not, she needs them. But workable deterrance can't
reasonably be nuclear. Under what circumstances, exactly, can
Russia use nuclear weapons as a usable, flexible instrument of
national policy? None. Under what circumstances can the Americans do
so? None.
Facing nations more flexible than Russia, US nuclear threat
behavior would not have been possible. That doesn't make the past
right. But Russia should act more in her own interests in the
future.
Can the Russians reasonably understand, and identify with, the
real needs and motivations of the Americans? In context?
Can the Americans understand what the Russian needs are?
Whatever the other problems, and there are plenty of them -- both
sides should want to reduce the reasons for fear of nuclear
destruction.
The world could blow up, as of now. That ought to be fixed.
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