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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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btourny
- 02:05pm Aug 13, 2001 EST (#7861
of 7905)
bakho
8/10/01 10:43am
Seems like you covered all the bases on the limited use that NMD
presents to our defense.
But if the Bushites persist in believing that this expensive toy
is essential, then they should have the courage to raise the taxes
to pay for it. The money should be raised by increasing taxes on the
upper income groups, that can afford to pay for such a luxury item,
and who hold a greater precentage of property at threat.
Instead the Bush Administration has cut those taxes on the
richest Americans, and is eyeing the taxes paid by the poorest
Americans, the SS taxes, to use to fund this NMD.
Same old Republican stuff, Zillions for defense, and get the poor
to pay for it, assuming that they are too powerless, too busy, too
ill informed to do anything about it. Easily they are driven by a
sound byte, and a photo-op.
If Bush insists on this thing, force him to raise taxes on the
highest incomes, and restore the Estate Tax. Keep his hot little
hands off SS Surplus, and the Ronnie Reagan Credit card of the
Treasury.
leonarbe
- 02:21pm Aug 13, 2001 EST (#7862
of 7905)
The U.S. should try to make decisions to help their people. War
produces more war & hate among people. We should try to keep our
world in peace, think about how many people are dying because of
starvation every year. I know it's not entirely US fault. The gap
between poor and rich people in the US is expanding, not to mention
the amount of more people joining the "lower" class. Bush might want
to do whatever possible to be isolated, and maybe in the future it
will impact not only the ecomomy but the US-citizen. Hey Bush, STOP
finding enemies... try to find friends instead. "it's better a bad
deal than a GOOD war"
paralgal
- 02:43pm Aug 13, 2001 EST (#7863
of 7905)
On missile defence, I agree that a shield to prevent states from
dropping nuclear bombs on each other is desirable. Having grown up
during the cold war, "duck and cover" is not my favorite thing. The
world would do well to remember, however, that the only country to
ever drop nuclear bombs on anybody is the good old USA, and they
dropped them on civilian targets. Perhaps the rest of the world
should develop such a system and leave the USA out of the loop. That
might really make the world a safer place, especially when you
consider who is Commander in Chief these days.
joeneri0
- 04:08pm Aug 13, 2001 EST (#7864
of 7905)
Part of the reason Bush & Company are pushing this idea that
treaties are no longer necessary is to undermine the authority of
the Senate in ratification of agreements between nations. They want
a free hand, without Congressional oversight, in building whatever
half-baked missile defense they can conceive of. The moves the
Administration is making is beginning to border on Constitutional
conflicts. The Senate should hold hearings into the legalities of
these moves as well as their implications for the conduct of foreign
affairs.
Joseph Neri Los Angeles, CA
ledzeppelin
- 04:37pm Aug 13, 2001 EST (#7865
of 7905)
Re lunarchick posting- 07:47pm Aug 11, 2001 EST (#7847 of 7864)
Dear lunarchick What makes the whole train thing even more
bizzare is that the train was lent to Kim for the journey by the
Japanese Government? Oh well what a crazy world.... Yours ledzep
trowe73
- 06:58pm Aug 13, 2001 EST (#7866
of 7905)
If the great republic of the United States were to collapse and
be replaced by some other form of government, it would take several
generations before the old form could truly take hold. Likewise, the
former Soviet Union, although a republic in name has several
generations of people today who long for the glory and greatness of
years ago. There are still people in Russia who would continue the
cold war today with the US if they could. In this light I believe
that it is in our nations best interest to keep the strategic
advantage in our favor. As Lenin once said something to the effect
of "...it would not matter if 3/4 of the world population was
destroyed, as long as the remaining 1/4 was communist...” it is
important to realize that Russians as young as 20 have been raised
to believe this. Let us not forget the 1970's when the Soviets had
the strategic advantage, and we tried to give them a bigger
advantage with treaties such as SALT II. This led to a series of
conflicts throughout the 1980's and an erosion of our closest
allies. They say those who do not learn from the past are destined
to repeat it. Do we really want to sacrifice our national security
for world opinion?
lunarchick
- 03:10am Aug 14, 2001 EST (#7867
of 7905) lunarchick@www.com
ledzeppelin
8/13/01 4:37pm Japan may have sent the train to Moscow as an ad
for 'rolling stock' and additionally NK now 'owes' them. When it
come to scientific whaling votes - it's pay back time.
ledzeppelin
- 08:58am Aug 14, 2001 EST (#7868
of 7905)
lunarchick Re u posting 7867
Very sceptical view you have of the Japanese Government, you
realise that you have despoiled my vision of this room full of
Japanese politicians saying, “no we can not let that nice Mr Kim go
by bike, lets be the Mr Nice Guy to day and lend him a train” Now
you have spoiled my whole illusion of this new world order and inter
governmental agreeableness?
Moreover I have never fully understood or comprehended why one
nation needs to munch so many whales each year in the name of
science!
One thing you have to say in the favour of the Ayatollahs of Iran
and the Taliban of Afghanistan, Col G of Libya furthermore S.
Hussein of Iraq, none of these have gone slaughtering Whales in the
transparent guise of science.
loola
- 11:20am Aug 14, 2001 EST (#7869
of 7905)
NMD and the doctrine which supports it is yet another example of
the Military industrial complex leading the population smiling in
ignorance toward a percieved safe and gloriouse future. Does any one
bother to question the existance of a Rogue State Missile threat?
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