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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 10:26am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7462
of 7469) lunarchick@www.com
SEVODNIA - NTV, Moscow: July 26, 2001 www.ntv.ru/index.html
broadcast in Russian Mon to Sat 9.30-10.15 am
MOSCOW STORM AFTERMATH: The death of a 25-year-old man in a
Moscow hospital has increased the toll of a violent storm in the
capital to five. Scores were injured in the storm, and 21 people
remain in hospital. Thousands of trees were uprooted, power lines
were downed and hundreds of roofs were damaged during the tempest.
Moscow authorities are still assessing the damage.
CONDOLEEZA RICE IN MOSCOW: The United State’s National Security
Advisor, Condoleeza Rice, has arrived in Russia for policy talks
with her counterpart. The US anti-missile defence system are likely
to top the agenda. Russia’s Vladimir Rushailo, invited her to Moscow
for a round of talks with top Russian diplomats. 46 years old Ms
Rice speaks some Russian, having studied in the USSR many
years ago.
rshowalter
- 10:26am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7463
of 7469) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
To do that, there would have to be significant press involvement
- - significant persuasion - - the leaders, political and
military, couldn't accomplish nuclear disarmament, with really
reliable enforcement, otherwise.
But the requirements for that persuasion are coming into
place. If Russia and the US were agreed (and that would mean,
Russia, the EU, the US, and very many of the Islamic countries would
be agreed) much could be accomplished.
lunarchick
- 10:34am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7464
of 7469) lunarchick@www.com
Russia-Electricy
deal pleases EU investors.
lunarchick
- 10:42am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7465
of 7469) lunarchick@www.com
Editorial* FT
lunarchick
- 10:47am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7466
of 7469) lunarchick@www.com
Putin: US won't wait for missile pact
Russian President Vladimir Putin is warning that the US will
not wait for his agreement to deploy the Son of Star Wars missile
defence system. However, US national security adviser Condoleezza
Rice says a strong opportunity exists for quick progress in
strategic arms discussions with Russia. Following a meeting with
Putin in Moscow, Rice says the US will go ahead with tests for the
proposed missile system, which Russia opposes and says violates
the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. London: The Times
lunarchick
- 10:50am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7467
of 7469) lunarchick@www.com
Begs the question - what are/were they talking about?
(Bwsh-Putin meet September along the old silk route - Shanghai)
lunarchick
- 10:57am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7468
of 7469) lunarchick@www.com
Nite!
Says Titania ?
rshowalter
- 11:32am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7469
of 7469) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The violations of the treaty, in legal form, that the Bush
administration is undertaking may be among the least physically
threatening violations ever recorded in military history.
If the emotions involved can get all sides decentered, and
working on fundamentals, the "violation" should be a small price to
pay. No matter how one may feel about the legalities, the missile
defense program hopelessly inadequate, and hence unthreatening, as a
meaningful missile defense.
MD7315 rshowalter
7/23/01 7:24am
MD7317-7320 lunarchick
7/23/01 8:38am
MD7023-25 rshowalter
7/14/01 5:39pm . .
MD6642 rshowalter
7/5/01 12:46pm ... MD6643 rshowalter
7/5/01 12:46pm
With the ingenuity the Bush administration is now devoting to
making its case for missile defense (and you have to credit them
with ingenuity and initiative on this) they could probably figure
out how to achieve real peace, solve the global warming problem, and
assure the whole world an adequate and safe energy supply,
forever. They might get water desalinization to something close
to thermodynamic effiency as well - so that the energy in a unit
volume of oil could be traded, on the needed scale at the needed
rates -- for 15,000+ unit volumes of clean water.
The engineers over their heads on missile defense could do
possible technical jobs pretty well.
The Bush administration has embraced a longstanding mess. They
didn't make it.
What they seem to be doing now is making a mess much worse,
rather than fixing it.
They'd get a lot more credit for fixing it than they're getting,
and going to get, for what they're now doing.
We may be seeing a tragicomedy play though - - where the United
States shows the world, beyond any possibility of mistaking the
lesson, that it is capable of sustained, insane, and ineffectual
conduct. Combined with contempt for the opinion of others, and bad
faith.
Or, possibly, some things are being sorted out.
Anyway, for now, it seems to me that the contrast between the
outrage, at the contractual level, and the nonexistent threat of the
MD tests, at the physical level, ought to be remembered.
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