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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 11:37am Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7222
of 7236) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Putin wants peace, and balance. So do many, many people
and nations, all over the world.
Key points, concisely made, about REAL problems the world, and
especially the US, needs to face, if real peace is to be possible.
Problems much more tangible than the threat of rogue missiles --
problems which, if better adressed, would give America more to be
proud of, and less to fear.
MD1092 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@184.0R72ageHrbu^5409113@.f0ce57b/1181...
and Putin yesterday: RUSSIAN PRESIDENT CALLS FOR
COMMON EUROPEAN SECURITY AND DEFENSE ZONE - http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/07/18/10470.html
MD4468 lunarchick
6/3/01 5:10pm ...." Interesting to note how the adult cowards of
the world pick on children to brainwash and carry out adult
hatreds." . . . .
MD4469 rshowalter
6/3/01 5:50pm . . . "To some degree, the "adult cowards of the
world" do the same to all soldiers -- who are put into situations
where they do (and believe) what they're told. Human beings,
including young adults, are easy to train, suggestable, and
obedient. Young children are essentially helpless before authority.
SN1422-1423 rshowalter
"Science in the News" 8/29/00 7:26am ... The point is well
illustrated by The 'Heathen a poem by Rudyard Kipling on
military training ... SN1427 rshowalter
"Science in the News" 8/29/00 8:03am
From MD317-324 lunarchick
9/27/00 9:38pm
That's an order ! classic study in this area: http://www.fsu.umd.edu/dept/psyc/southerl/prism/bill.htm
http://www.usafa.af.mil/dfpfa/CVs/Bertha/Psyhero.html
http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~epritch1/social98a.html
http://www.abacon.com/baronbyrne/chapter9.html
http://www.psychology.org/links/People_and_History/
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/playground/pd.html
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/playground/pdref.html
http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~russell/brbomb.htm
..... http://www.mcmaster.ca/russdocs/russell1.htm
Trying to lie about Chernobyl backfired http://www.animatedsoftware.com/cassini/thebeast.htm
Changing hearts: how to?
coldWar http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/macdon.htm
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/sasianuk.htm
(1995IndiaPakistan)
http://www.psc-cfp.gc.ca/prcb/rd/hrsystem/levlegie.htm
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/interventions/thinktanks.htm
rshowalter
- 11:37am Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7223
of 7236) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD4471 rshowalter
6/3/01 6:21pm
The Innocence of 'Pearl Harbor' by JOHN W. DOWER http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/03/opinion/03DOWE.html
. . . contains powerful, useful language and ideas, referring to the
movie, Pearl Harbor , as representation:
" When Pearl Harbor is bombed, the attack force
passes over a field of youngsters playing baseball (a scene
featured in the film's advertisements). The camera follows the
explosives to their human victims — and then dwells there,
interminably, amid the carnage. Although the Doolittle raid killed
about 50 civilians, including some schoolchildren, we never see
this or hear of it. Nor are we told, in the film's epilogue, how
inexorable was the terrible logic of the war: Pearl Harbor leading
to the Doolittle raid, and this in turn to the firebombing of over
60 Japanese cities, culminating in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The
death toll from the atomic bombs alone was nearly 100 times that
at Pearl Harbor.
" Payback, many Americans will respond. But
this does not get us very far when it comes to trying to convey
the nightmarish insanity of war in our time, where the line
between combatant and noncombatant has been eliminated and that
between victim and victimizer so often dissolves.
. . . . .
"How different it would be if on both sides of the
Pacific, we could turn Prime Minister Higashikunis wish around and
simultaneously remember both Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima (and all
that came both before and in between) — not as a trade-off, but as
a tragedy. An enormously powerful, humanistic film waits to be
made here. But who would dare do this? Who would go see it?
The people of the world need to be able to appreciate the
hypothetical movie Dower speaks of. We need to step back from
horrors that came to be considered normal during WWII - - - horrors
that were magnified, almost beyond belief, in the nuclear terror --
horrors that need to be ended, so that the world will survive, and
so that we can be more decent.
It is not all right to blow up innocent bystanders, who happen
to be loosely labeled enemies -- whether it is done by a suicide
bomber - or a button pusher -- and the horror is worse as the
numbers of people killed increase. We now live in a world where,
under easily imaginable circumstance, the all of humanity could be
reduced to rotting
unburied corpses.
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