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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 07:00am Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7194
of 7208) lunarchick@www.com
Understanding the Global Economy see VII : ~ http://www.howardri.org/index.html
~ http://www.howardri.org/Trade.html#2
~ http://www.howardri.org/Trade3.html
dawnc
- 08:06am Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7195
of 7208)
We should be keeping friends, not creating enemies,as the new
administration has been doing. First the Kyoto Treaty that they
backed out of. Now this Missile defense issue. The administration
has watched Star Wars one too many times.
rshowalter
- 08:09am Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7196
of 7208) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
My background is unusual. It is a source of both insight and
difficulties for myself and people who have to deal with me.
Writings connecting me to Bill Casey: MD6057 rshowalter
6/26/01 7:22am MD6370-71 rshowalter
7/1/01 7:19am
" When I figured out the "buried problem" in
applied mathematics, and "figured out how to really talk to the
Russians" -- and figured out what a stable stand-down of nuclear
terror was to be like -- I was to come in. They wanted the
answers, but weren't sure how they'd accomodate them, and would
have to sort it out at the time.
" Its been rougher than that, for reasons, I
believe, that Casey might be ashamed of.
" Bill Casey felt passionate about this - agonized
about this. Yes - it had been and was going to be necessary to do
terrible, morally indefensible things. Yes, gross injustice had
been and was going to be done to many people. Yes, it had been and
was going to be necessary to subvert the Constitution, and many of
the most dearly held values of the American people and our allies.
" These things had been, and would continue to be
necessary -- to fight the Cold War, against forces of
totalitarianism that, Casey sincerely felt, had to be stopped at
all costs - including both practical and moral costs.
"Yes, it had been and was going to be necessary to
lie and cheat and steal -- and kill innocent people beyond the
ability of any individual human being to count.
. . . . . . . (Ever tried to physically count to
five million?)
Yes, it was ugly -- ugly beyond anything you could
get in your head -- ugly beyond telling.
But the US, Casey felt, could do these things. Do
them in secret, concealed in elaborate patterns of lies. With the
secrecy and the lies justified, not only by expediency, but
because there was a real desire to preserve the good things about
America -- the kindness, the flexibility -- the opportunity -- the
beauty. Preserve them by isolating them from the ugliness.
Bill Casey deserved, I believe, the same criticism
as Kissinger and his colleagues and proteges deserve -- that he
took positions that "made Machiavelli seem like one of the
Sisters of Mercy."
And acted on them.
" HOWEVER, Bill Casey also not only respected
-- he revered , the standards of decency, and openness, and
flexibility -- that THE NEW YORK TIMES tries to
stand for -- and usually does.
" When I talked to Casey, he was very clear
about the conflict -- and his sense of the terrible moral box he
and others had gotten the United States into. When he talked to
me, a special asset who, it had been provisionally decided, was
not to be killed -- (at every meeting I had with Casey, I was sure
he was re-evaluating that decision) -- what we talked about was
finding an end game -- finding a way out of the horror .
" Perhaps, if Casey hadn't had the brain tumor
he had, and died in 1989, the terrible tragedy of the last decade
might not have happened quite as it did. Perhaps some grace not
found could have been found. I don't know. This happened.
" When the Soviet Union fell, and everyone, on
all sides, had so much hope, we didn't have an end game -- and the
United States was so tied up with lies, that it could not sort out
problems before it -- or help the Russians sort out their
problems.
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