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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 09:14pm Jul 16, 2001 EST (#7105
of 7109) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
"The implications of these problems are that:
"There are problems which we simply can't deal with yet, even
with the aid of computers.
"It is often necessary to screen out all but the most relevant
laws to a given scenario. At this point, the simulation becomes an
approximation and can no longer be expected to provide perfectly
accurate results.
"This idea will be demonstrated later in the actual program
and therefore need not be discussed further here.
Comment: Compared to the missile defense problems,
the example is an easy one - - comparatively -- but, even
so, still impossibly hard, for the accuracy MD would take for
multiple warheads, and realistic decoys.
It is often most practical to break continuums into quantized
quantities. For example, in this program, a time variable is
"stepped" through time by some interval dt. Unless dt is infinitely
small (this would require symbolic evaluation of calculus
functions), the simulation becomes even more of an
approximation.
Translation: sometimes, even with computers,
you actually have to solve the differential equations involved
analytically, or you are lost.
"Normally, smaller dts provide more accurate results than
larger ones. However, if a block of time is broken into smaller
intervals, it should be apparent that there will be more of these
intervals (thus requiring more computations and therefore more time
for the simulation to run). A balance must be found between
acceptable error tolerances for a given simulation and acceptable
completion time. "
Comment: The mathematical "showstoppers" in
missile defense are dense and for any of the defensive
problems that the system is really supposed to do -- provably
impossible.
Anybody with a face and a name willing to stnd up and contest
this? Anybody want to show that these things can be done, on
streaming video -- where things can be checked?
Anybody want to contest the point that these issues have been
lied about at many stages in the funding and execution of the
missile defense efforts so far?
rshowalter
- 09:24pm Jul 16, 2001 EST (#7106
of 7109) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Before I have a beer, and knock off for tonight, I'd like to make
some nonquantitative but heartfelt points.
MD4043 rshowalter
5/17/01 12:57pm ... MD4044 rshowalter
5/17/01 12:57pm MD4045 rshowalter
5/17/01 1:06pm ... MD4046 rshowalter
5/17/01 1:19pm MD4047 rshowalter
5/17/01 1:21pm ...
And, most personally: MD1080 rshowalter
3/16/01 1:32pm
gisterme
- 09:24pm Jul 16, 2001 EST (#7107
of 7109)
rshowalter wrote ( rshowalter 7/16/01 6:00pm ): "...The lasar
approaches can't work at all..."
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that...
gisterme
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rshowalter
- 09:27pm Jul 16, 2001 EST (#7108
of 7109) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Back about that in the morning. Nice to see that you're making
definite points.
lunarchick
- 09:30pm Jul 16, 2001 EST (#7109
of 7109) lunarchick@www.com
Bye!
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