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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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almarst-2001
- 08:59pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6889
of 6894)
TIMOTHY BANCROFT-HINCHEY: NATO GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES BY OWN
DEFINITION - http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/07/05/9360.html
"According to definitions used by The Hague Tribunal and by
the Geneva Convention on War Crimes, NATO is guilty. Pravda.Ru
presents the evidence for a case against NATO in a court of law such
as the one at The Hague.
Article 3 of the Statute of The Hague International Penal
Court states clearly that one criterion for indictment for war
crimes is:
“Attack or bombardment, by whatever means, against undefended
cities, towns, villages, buildings or houses”.
NATO’s continuous use of civilian targets for military
purposes, a scenario which this military organization wantonly and
callously calls “collateral damage”, fits this clause exactly and
would be the cornerstone of a case accusing this organisation of
being guilty of war crimes.
Another clause of the same Article 3 could also be
stipulated:
“Massive destruction of cities, towns or villages or
destruction not justified by military necessity”.
Any number of the unprovoked attacks by NATO in Yugoslavia and
Iraq in the past decade would fit into this category, namely bombing
attacks by NATO on civilian targets and structures. The bombing of
the Chinese Embassy, for example, was not a “military necessity”, by
NATO’s own definition, because it was officially classified by this
organisation as a mistake. In which case, and under Article 3, it
was a case of destruction not justified by military necessity and
therefore, by its own definition and using the Articles from the
Court set up by this organisation, NATO is guilty of war crimes.
However, the case does not stop here. Article 147 of the
Geneva Convention on War Crimes, defines the latter as
“...deportation or illegal transfer or illegal detention of a
protected person...or to purposefully deprive a protected person of
his rights of a fair and regular trial...”
What is being done in the case of Mr. Slobodan Milosevic at
The Hague, apart from being a case of piracy, kidnapping and illegal
imprisonment, is in flagrant violation of the Geneva Convention. Not
having been appointed by the United Nations General Assembly, the
IPC at The Hague is at most illegal and at least not legal. It is
therefore incompetent to try Slobodan Milosevic, or anyone else, for
alleged crimes.
More ironic still is this case when we discover that by their
own definitions, NATO are guilty of the crimes they accuse others of
– in an organism which has no legal substance whatsoever. How the
international community tolerates such a scandalous state of affairs
and apportions to it such a degree of seriousness is ridiculous and
a shame for any country which prides itself on saying that it is a
state of law.
rshowalter
- 09:01pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6890
of 6894) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
People aren't consistent -- Americans aren't, and Russians aren't
either.
Dr. Strangelove himself, Edward Teller thought up the idea
of missile defense --
Who Built the H-Bomb? Debate Revives by WILLIAM J. BROAD
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/24/science/24TELL.html
MD2563 rshowalter
4/24/01 7:47pm
And the idea is as awkward as Teller often was -- and at one
level, it is an attempt at solution to old problems -- and at
another, an additional level of agressiveness.
Nukes are so horrible that the idea of missile defense is
attractive -- and not just to Teller -- to many people who sincerely
support it, without a thought of what it means agressively.
So the dream of missile defense, at one level, to many people, is
blameless -- most people who support missile defense can't imagine
that the US would be agressive with nuclear weapons.
But the US has been and continues to be militarily
agressive to a gruesome, shameful degree -- a degree not understood,
nearly well enough -- by Americans.
And unless that changes -- missile defense is ugly --
partly because it doesn't work -- partly because it is motivated by
people who have become evil -- people who love the idea of
inflicting death -- people like gisterme , and
gisterme's co-workers in the Bush administation, including, I
believe, the Bushes.
(Are the Bushes' ambivalent about that? Perhaps a
little -- but when it comes time for action -- in my view - -
judging especially from the last few months, they are usually low
and ugly.)
Missile defense is ambiguous -- and your fear and anger about it
is justified.
We need to make real peace.
And while we do, take every reasonable, balanced step to control
nuclear threats, step by step, as the human animals we are.
If we do it right -- the world can be a much more peaceful,
prosperous place.
And survive.
* * * * * * *
And Russians will go right on being ugly in some ways . . . and
Americans in different ways. But we'll be alive, and maybe do a
little better than now.
almarst-2001
- 09:08pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6891
of 6894)
NATO are guilty of the crimes they accuse others of – in an
organism which has no legal substance whatsoever. How the
international community tolerates such a scandalous state of affairs
and apportions to it such a degree of seriousness is ridiculous and
a shame for any country which prides itself on saying that it is a
state of law.
almarst-2001
- 09:10pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6892
of 6894)
And the US is at the helm of the NATO - by the charter.
What is a polite name for a boss of a mafia gang?
rshowalter
- 09:12pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6893
of 6894) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Americans should fix it -- but there are plenty of ugly things
about Russia -- and you should fix them, too.
And, to do it, you have to have your temper, and your moral
indignation, under control.
Would you like, in your heart, to kill some Americans?
Hard to blame you. But, as a practical matter, there are limits
to what you can and should do.
We need accomodations that work.
And perfect justice -- especially the justice of the indignant,
isn't in the cards.
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