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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?

rshowalter - 04:03pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6856 of 6861)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

The very small extraconstitutional group:

To run the very long term policy of getting the Soviet Union to break, by maintaining very high fear levels, and at the same time to minimize tensions on our own side, and to keep threats we were making, that our own people would not tolerate, from being known, a small group of military and CIA officers, initially very much influenced by Curtis LeMay, set up a long-term organization. The organization was extraconstitutional and in some ways informal, and very largely independent of political control. After the Kennedy administration, it was not entirely under the control of the President of the United States. At sometimes, almost independent of presidential will. The President did, in more than name, control the decision to actually fire nuclear weapons (LeMay had tried to take that unto himself) but LeMay and related people and their successors did, as a practical matter, control most nuclear policy, with little or no effective supervision, or really capable financial accounting.

On these threads there's a good deal more detail, and I'll go after it -- but that's the gist of it.

There were reasons why this happened. Some of them good reasons at the time.

But the nuclear terror is an American invention and development. We've used threat and terror, very effectively, for a long time. If we took action, and acknowledged what we did, then effective nuclear disarmament would be possible -- at least to the point where nuclear risks were no larger than many of the natural disaster risks we cope with.

MD3000 atwnw 5/2/01 1:45pm

MD3001 rshowalter 5/2/01 1:45pm

That's the basis for the conspiracy -- and though, for a time, gisterme challenged me on it, the basic core facts, now reinforced by recent classifications, have not been disputed since Dawn found a key reference MD3327 rshowalter 5/5/01 10:06am

THREATS TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS: The Sixteen Known Nuclear Crises of the Cold War, 1946-1985 by David R. Morgan , National President, Veterans Against Nuclear Arms Vancouver, Canada March 6, 1996 http://scienceforpeace.sa.utoronto.ca/WorkingGroupsPage/NucWeaponsPage/Documents/ThreatsNucWea.html

The potential for subversion of the constitution and democracy of the United States , and for fraud, is very great, given the mechanism set up in Eisenhower's time, that has gone with little supervision, and with many ways to enrich people for private gain, for more than 40 years.

One doesn't have to look as far away as UFO's -- to find cause for terrible concerns.

And reasons to suspect the Bush administration of betraying the interests of the United States in very important, terrible ways.

Perhaps there's another explanation for the performance of the people close to gisterme -- - the top group in the administration, probably including both Bushes. But I don't see it now.

rshowalter - 04:05pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6857 of 6861)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

almarst , you're right. It is no joke.

I've been very scared, for a long time -- and since Bush was elected, things have gone so surreally wrong that I've felt there was nothing to do but stand. Because I've felt that the treasonous low-lifes who've subverted the United States and stolen the presidency were not only corrupt -- but also incompetent enough that they could easily destroy the world.

rshowalter - 04:12pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6858 of 6861)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

If I were an ordinary, honest Republican - I might be the most concerned of all -- I'd feel especially betrayed. I know a lot of good decent ones -- and I might myself have voted for McCain over Gore this last election -- but the corruption of the nazi-Bushes is something else again. These people have degraded the country, and especially the Republican party.

And they are presiding over one fraud after another.

rshowalter - 04:14pm Jul 10, 2001 EST (#6859 of 6861)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

The missile defense is amazingly deficient in the ordinary military or engineering decencies -- and if you want to look at how "the culture of lying" works -- when advocacy of a corrupt program is pursued at all costs -- read gisterme , on this thread, from the top.

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