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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 09:06pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6577
of 6614) lunarchick@www.com
It's like 'brains' are actually an inbuilt MD system ... perhaps
folks should dust 'em down and exercise out using their own
cognitive gym ... then with a vocab of 1000 words even, as per Koko,
the use of missiles just wouldn't add up - not even in monkey logic
:)
rshowalter
- 09:12pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6578
of 6614) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
A big thing is that monkeys have enough sense to want to
see things. People, being more "advanced" -- accept really
far-fetched stories, that may "sound good" -- without any evidence
at all.
And sometimes, all it takes to get by with an outrage, is to
conceal the most basic visual information.
Bob Kerrey made that point in
ARMED TO EXCESS http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/02/opinion/02KERR.html
Kerrey says:
" The risk of a nuclear attack still poses the greatest single
threat to our survival."
. ...
partly because the military won't even let people in Congress
see the most basic evidence.
If they saw it, they'd see, even a monkey could see, that we'd
gotten ourselves into a grossly disproportionate, ugly mess.
rshowalter
- 09:13pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6579
of 6614) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I wonder what would happen if Senators and Congressman asked to
see evidence of what the "Star Wars" program, after sixty
billion dollars actually had and could actually
do.
rshowalter
- 09:14pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6580
of 6614) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Not paper evidence -- or not only that.
Also what a monkey would have to see -- real physical
stuff.
lunarchick
- 09:16pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6581
of 6614) lunarchick@www.com
If your 'minister of defense' is in your system is the 'Secretary
of State' .. then why isn't this person fielding questions in the
parliament .... that's spelt Colin Powell in the Websters'
Dictionary - isn't it?
rshowalter
- 09:17pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6582
of 6614) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The military industrial complex, years after Eisenhower warned us
to watch out, is "making a monkey of us all !
rshowalter
- 09:20pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6583
of 6614) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
And in another analogy (and not a far fetched one either)
"making out like bandits."
And frauds. Search "Carlyle" , this thread, and "Osprey", too, to
get a sense of how much money there is to be diverted from a system
that, where it counts, has no workable financial defensee at all, as
far as fraud goes.
rshowalter
- 09:23pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6584
of 6614) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
On "making monkeys of us all" and degrading the United
States, note this:
The level of feel for propriety exemplified in http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/05/politics/05CARL.html
-- would indicate a "culture" where thoughts of accountability,
for either facts or money, would be almost futile, wouldn't you
think?
I wonder how many enlisted men (and there are
plenty of literate ones) could read "Elder Bush in Big GOP Cast
Toiling for Top Equity Firm" without being ashamed?
lunarchick
- 09:32pm Jul 4, 2001 EST (#6585
of 6614) lunarchick@www.com
On monkeys ... there were three - who knew their place .. 'see
all_hear all_say nothing' taken to advantage in the Yorkshire
man's motto reads:
"hear all, See all Say nowt eat all, sup all pay
nowt and if tha ever does owt for nowt do it for thee
sen".
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