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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 04:02pm Jun 28, 2001 EST (#6226
of 6242) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Great stuff !
"The problem with "constructed preferences" is
that they are unstable and highly influenced by how information is
presented. "
But after enough information is collected, so one is confident of
the weightings, and after time to think -- the constructed
preferences may become solid, and stable, and reasonable, and
explainable to others.
rshowalter
- 04:05pm Jun 28, 2001 EST (#6227
of 6242) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Once the preferences are clear, and not hidden-- deals can often
be struck that work well.
rshowalter
- 04:10pm Jun 28, 2001 EST (#6228
of 6242) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Sometimes there are biases, misjudgements about weights that need
to be rethought. --- and in this matter of military balances, it
seems to me that some gross problems of this kind exist on the
American side.
It seems to me that accomodations that would really please
Russia and most of the European countries as well, would be in
the interest of the United States both from the viewpoint of
prosperity and security.
rshowalter
- 04:11pm Jun 28, 2001 EST (#6229
of 6242) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I've never once heard almarst ask the US to sacrifice US
security - - or interests of the people of the United States
that either almarst or I or Dawn could understand.
rshowalter
- 04:17pm Jun 28, 2001 EST (#6230
of 6242) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
almarst expresses a need for Russian security, too -- and
from a position more suspiscious and concerned than my own - as far
as conventional weapons issues go. But it is hard for me to see how
what he wants for Russia really conflicts with the valid economic or
security interests of the US.
Unless an assumption is made -- and that assumption, it seems to
me, is that unless our current military-industrial complex stays
busy doing the sorts of things they've always done, the US will face
an unacceptable loss of infrastructure.
I think that's wrong -- there are other, better things for those
people, basically organized as they are to do.
People are scraping the bottom of the barrel on military
engineering ideas worth backing -- these people and organizations,
now building mostly ineffectual "gimmicks and gizmos" at very high
cost -- could be much more productive doing things the US and the
whole world needs, that are there to do.
rshowalter
- 04:28pm Jun 28, 2001 EST (#6231
of 6242) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Subject to some rules of checking that we're getting close to
here -- where engineers outside the security vail can "count
miracles that DOD has to solve" -- it is getting harder and
harder to maintain that the missile defense programs have anything
worth doing.
Really good people are working their hearts out, on jobs that
they can't do -- and forced to lie about it (or, at the least, to
deflect attention from fundamentals.)
Whether money is being stolen or not -- it sure is being wasted.
For example, the "space based lasar" program -- for missile
defense - is VERY far fetched when you look at Space Telescope
resolution, and consider the much higher levels of resolution the
program has to ask for technically -- for control systems, optics,
and radar resolution and a stack up of related reasons .
And similar objections are dense all over the technical
phase space of these programs.
The people and organizations here can find better things
to do --- such as fix global warming, get the world a stable,
permanent, expandable energy supply, get near thermodynamic limit
water desalinization (maybe 40times lower energy cost than current
plants) -- handle core nutritional needs of the planet -- and a list
of other things that can be done.
Or, at the least -- things that look a lot more feasible
than any of the proposals about missile defense I seen, or heard
hints about.
possumdag
- 04:32pm Jun 28, 2001 EST (#6232
of 6242) Possumdag@excite.com
The money goes
round and round but there's only so much of it!
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