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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 12:29pm Jun 24, 2001 EST (#5947
of 5954) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD5296 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?7@184.ShaZab2wqbr^2289996@.f0ce57b/5658
. . . MD5297 rshowalter
6/16/01 8:43pm
On March 1, I did some posting in a Guardian poetry thread, and
some of my argument, about key nuclear controls (which, one can see
from Rehearsing Doomsday , are telephone controls) , is set
out in #1281-1282 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/1565
My sense of risks (about a 10% chance of the world blowing up per
year, or 1.6 million "statistically expected deaths per day" is set
out in #1279 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/1563
#1273 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/1556
is an "expository poem that refers to something that happened to me
in October of last year, where there are, I believe,
journalistically solid records corraborating events. It starts
Before witnesses, not long ago I blew through
Nuclear controls that apparently hadn't been
changed since the mid-60s'
I may have misused the word "nuclear controls" -- what happened
is that my phones were cut off with "red alert" signals -- and I got
through the isolation using patterns that were nuclear controls in
the '60's and 70's , according to patterns I'd been taught then -
and ran into operators, and procedures -- the same as I'd known then
. . .
Back then, those patterns and sequences would have been useful
for firing off missiles.
Given some responses, then and afterwards, I came to believe,
though I cannot prove, that these same controls are still in use. .
. . . and of course, that could be wrong.
What isn't wrong -- or can be easily be checked, is that the
nuclear missile controls in the United States arsenal use telephone
links that appear -- (again, I can only guess, but it is an informed
guess) to be terribly vulnerable . . . so that a few people, or just
a little psychopathology (grief, perhaps) could start firing
missiles.
Something else isn't wrong --- and can be checked. Can partly be
checked by looking at my experience. That is that the human aspects
of our nuclear control system are terribly rigid, and resist most of
the kinds of checking that people would expect them to have. . . .
Given that the issue here is a chance of the end of the world,
why is this hard to get checked ?
The answer is that people are afraid, and the system is choked up
by lies.
rshowalter
- 12:30pm Jun 24, 2001 EST (#5948
of 5954) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD5299 rshowalter
6/16/01 9:41pm ... reads in part:
" I had stuff on Thomas Friedman's great book
review of Kissenger's Does America Need a Foreign Policy http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/k/kissinger-01policy.html
" How to Run the World in Seven Chapters http://www.nytimes.com/books/01/06/17/reviews/010617.17friedmt.html
, which makes a wonderful analogy between Kissenger and
Machiavelli (much to Machiavelli's advantage) but I'll wait on
that, too.
lunarchick posted good links to "Machiavelli - that scheming
little prince of darkness " http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/rosso.htm
~ http://nsa.nps.navy.mil/Syllabi/ns_4036.html
that emphasize something Friedman said -- that he had
" no doubt that Kissinger is as cynical, mean
and nasty a bureaucratic infighter and player of the game of
nations as his most venomous critics have charged. At times, he
can make Machiavelli sound like one of the Sisters of Mercy. "
MD5470 rshowalter
6/19/01 4:46pm ... MD5471 rshowalter
6/19/01 5:07pm MD5472 rshowalter
6/19/01 5:08pm ... MD5473 rshowalter
6/19/01 5:12pm
Fix these big, passionately felt misunderstandings, and valid
concerns, and cooperation in reducing nuclear threats from smaller
nations and groups would be a foregone conclusion between Russia and
the US, in my opinion.
rshowalter
- 12:31pm Jun 24, 2001 EST (#5949
of 5954) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
gisterme disagreed, and the main extenuation was that
Kissinger was acting in wars MD5484 gisterme
6/19/01 8:57pm
That extenuation can be judged against what one can legally do in
wars -- and often, also, asking what was meant by "war."
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