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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 11:02am Jun 20, 2001 EST (#5523
of 5537) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD5460 rshowalter
6/19/01 4:04pm .... quotes an article from China's flagship
newspaper that makes a point that China herself needs to
remember, and that Russia, the US, and other nations should, too. http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200104/18/eng20010418_67992.html
" Daring to Shoulder Historical Responsibility:
Way to Become Big Political Power"
_________
China sometimes violates the good advice in that article
horribly, and not facing up to its past in an ugly case, in the
situation set out in
WHEN LIES KILL: In China, the Right to Truth Meets Life and
Death by ERIK ECKHOLM http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/17/weekinreview/17ECKH.html
" An AIDS epidemic in a rural Chinese province
is only the latest example of the heavy costs of the controls on
information and political choice."
A similar point, involving AIDS in Africa, and the need for
truthfulness and hard work conveying and responding to the truth, is
on the op-ed pages today. ..... A Time for Frankness on AIDS and
Africa by PASCOAL MOCUMBI http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/20/opinion/20MOCU.html
Lies do kill, and they close off hope. MANY countries, including
the US, and Russia, could improve both themselves and the world by
coming up to the standard http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200104/18/eng20010418_67992.html
sets. It seems to me that the most basic problems of military
balances and peace, including missile defense, concern facing up to
pasts that are distasteful.
To face these problem, it seems to me, we may sometimes need
situations where determining core facts is morally forcing -
and where umpires exist, fit to cases.
almarst-2001
- 11:04am Jun 20, 2001 EST (#5524
of 5537)
rshowalter
6/20/01 10:24am
The "protection of owr country" was always used as an excuse for
any intervention and agression in a modern history. If there ever
was an eception (please show me one) - it would probably be just
that - the exception.
The Americans frequently justify in public and steer the
"patiotism" on their interventions by the notion of American
exclusiveness to posess the truth and pretend to act in benevolent
altruistic manner. I think even Kissinger's article clearly shows
this to be false. The same pattern existed during the time of
Cruseiders or Christian missioners used in fact as a bridgehead of
colonization. Some Americans may believe in what their media,
Holliwood and some leaders preach. So did some Cruseiders and
missioners. So did many Germans listening to Hitler. So did many
Russians and Chinese listening to their leaders. There was always
need to justification and ideology to commit the most inhumain
crimes. The more criminal it was - the purier and "humane" was the
ideology.
The only valid war is in defence of the foreign agression. By the
side which clearly can have no interest in such a war. The same
logic as one would apply in the criminal court.
The first question to be raised is about the motives, interests,
and potential gains. That's the key.
rshowalter
- 11:06am Jun 20, 2001 EST (#5525
of 5537) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Very soon after gisterme joined this forum, she* asked a
question that remaings a key one. It was this (I may not have the
words right.)
" Why admit what all the world knows? "
The answer is that knowledge happens at various levels, and
sometimes, for action, things need to become clear -- and no
longer, "somehow, too weak."
. . .
. . .
. . .
I assume that gisterme is a she, becasue gisterme
is so intelligent and dangerous. If not "more dangerous than a man"
-- more dangerous than most men, anyway.
rshowalter
- 11:07am Jun 20, 2001 EST (#5526
of 5537) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
almarst , you're right.
The question is key.
rshowalter
- 11:10am Jun 20, 2001 EST (#5527
of 5537) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Let me go back to the very first posting gisterme made,
asking a key question that has engaged us, in important ways, ever
since. I feel that, if we could get the issues involved with that
question clarified so that the staffs of major nation states --
including Russia, the NATO european countries, the US, China, Japan,
and the Koreas could understand the answers (not my
anwers -- staffed and checked answers) then the body of fact and
relation for a great deal of peacemaking, in the interest of almost
all concerned, in every country, would be in place.
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