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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 10:39am Jun 19, 2001 EST (#5422
of 5461) lunarchick@www.com
Standard
procedures - fail the public ... raises parallels for MD
dmfitschen
- 10:39am Jun 19, 2001 EST (#5423
of 5461)
SDI all over again? Pour funds into lucrative contracts to
contactors in favored states. Drain the theoretical surplus and
start the national deficit and debt soaring once again. Sounds like
a wonderful, re-warmed plan.
pbrower2a
- 10:47am Jun 19, 2001 EST (#5424
of 5461)
SDI again? A Maginot Line in space. We Americans would have to
expend great resources to build it, and any clever enemy would find
any weak spot possible. The successors of John Walker and Aldrich
Ames will surely supply the devious enemy the needed information on
weak links. A suitable trajectory for a missile launch could be as
damaging to America as any secret of military technology or the
identification of our secret agents abroad.
Research on missile defenses is of course justifiable because the
thugs are out there. Finding some way to thwart a stray missile
makes sense: how sure are we that no missile will not fire in error
due to poor maintenance of the control system or the deranged
behavior of someone in custody of it? SDI is not for counteracting a
few stray missiles; it is for thwarting a mass attack.
It's also a huge commitment of government funds -- and of course
federal taxes -- for a pork-barrel political project as a reward to
the defense industry from Dubya for support in the 2000 Presidential
election. That is about as despicable a political practice as one
can imagine -- "give your support to my campaign, and if we win I
will open the Treasury to you". Hardly a better way exists to
destroy the integrity of government finance than such a practice.
(So was corrupted the Roman Republic and so was destroyed the Roman
Empire).
Twenty years ago the Reagan administration proposed SDI when the
Soviet Union not only existed, but was also the "Evil Empire". SDI
faded away as a military priority when the Soviet Union ceased being
the "Evil Empire" and dropped completely out of view when the Soviet
Union disappeared.
lunarchick
- 10:52am Jun 19, 2001 EST (#5425
of 5461) lunarchick@www.com
Did PUTIN make HIS point in the lead article ?
Is Putin a foxier FOX than GI's President Brush?
Tallyho! At the pow-wow .... exactly who was bloodied after the
first kill?
killsfirst
- 10:59am Jun 19, 2001 EST (#5426
of 5461)
HOW I LEARNED TO STOP WORRYING AND LOVE THE BOMB!
"But I also made it clear to [Vladimir Putin] that it's
important to think beyond the old days of when we had the concept
that if we blew each other up, the world would be safe."—
Hapless and Hopeless AWOL
Bush, Washington, D.C., May 1, 2001
PUTIN
SAYS MISSLE SHIELD WILL SPARK NEW ARMS RACE!
Babbling AWOL
Bush to the Russian President over the red phone: Hullo?
... Ah ... Hello, Vla... ah ... Hello, Vladimir? ... Listen, ah, I
can't hear too well. Do you suppose you could turn down the music
just a little? ... Oh-ho, that's much better. ... yeah ... ha ...
yes ... Fine, I can hear you now, Vladimir. ... Clear and plain and
coming through fine. ... I'm coming through fine, too, eh? ... Good,
then ... well, then, as you say, we're both coming trough fine. ...
Good. ... Well, it's good that you're fine and ... and I'm fine. ...
I agree with you, it's great to be fine. ... a-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Now then, Vladimir, you know how we've always talked about the
possibility of something going wrong with the NMD. ... The NMD
, Vladimir. ... The Nuclear Missle Defense ! ... Well
now, what happened is ... ah ... one of our base commanders had a
sort of ... well, he went a little funny in the head ... you know
... yes, he is a republican... just a little ... funny. And, ah ...
he went and did a silly thing. ... Well, I'll tell you what he did.
He ordered the NMD ... to attack your country... Ah... Well,
let me finish, Vladimir. ... Let me finish, Vladimir. ... Well
listen, how do you think I feel about it?! ... Can you imagine
how I feel about it, Vladimir? ... Why do you think I'm calling?
Just to say hello? ... Of course I like to speak to you! ...
Of course I like to say hello! ... Not now, but anytime,
Vladimir. I'm just calling up to tell you something terrible has
happened... It's a friendly call. Of course it's a friendly call.
... Listen, if it wasn't friendly ... you probably wouldn't have
even got it. ... They will not reach their targets for at least
another 15 minutes. ... I am ... I am positive, Vladimir. ...
Listen, I've been all over this with your ambassador. It is not a
trick. ... Well, I'll tell you.
We'd like to give your air staff a complete run-down on the
targets, the trajectories, and the defensive systems of the missles.
... Yes! I mean i-i-i-if we're unable to stop the NMD
missles, then ... I'd say that, ah ... well, ah ... we're just gonna
have to help you destroy them, Vladimir. ... I know they're our
missles. ... All right, well listen now. Who should we call? ...
Who should we call, Vladimir? The ... wha-whe, the People...
you, sorry, you faded away there. ... The People's Central Air
Defense Headquarters. ... Where is that, Vladimir? ... In Omsk. ...
Right. ... Yes. ... Oh, you'll call them first, will you? ... Uh-hu
... Listen, do you happen to have the phone number on you, Vladimir?
... Whe-ah, what? I see, just ask for Omsk information. ...
Ah-ah-eh-uhm-hm ... I'm sorry, too, Vladimir. ... I'm very sorry.
... All right , you're sorrier than I am, but I am as sorry
as well. ... I am as sorry as you are, Vladimir! Don't say that
you're the more sorry than I am, because I'm capable of being just
as sorry as you are. ... So we're both sorry, all right?! ... All
right. ...
BOOM!
Vladimir Putin: Launch all Nuclear Multiple Re-entry
Vehicle Inter-Continental Ballistic Missles!
KABOOM!
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