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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 09:17pm Jun 13, 2001 EST (#5037
of 5069) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD4761rshowalter
6/11/01 4:11pm
focusing on the notion of evil . . . MD3727 gisterme
5/15/01 6:24pm ... MD3938 possumdag
5/15/01 6:50pm MD3945 rshowalter
5/15/01 7:22pm
"evil " as " disciplined beauty " according to
warped assumptions and lies MD3946 rshowalter
5/15/01 7:23pm
MD3947 rshowalter
5/15/01 7:40pm Illustrative "cartoons of assumptions"
applied to the people I think of when I think "evil" ---
- Alexander the Great -- Atilla the Hun
---Napolean --- Hitler --- Stalin
Here's the " Hitler" assumption -- the essential core of the
NAZI viewpoint:
Hitler:
" " There is an "ideal Germany" to be advanced at
all costs, I am the person to conceptualize it and impose it, and
there will be NO value being placed on any nation, group, or
individual who do not fit my elaborate, philosophically ornate,
arbitrary conception."
MD4763 rshowalter
6/11/01 4:33pm
"Disciplined beauty" , from different points of view -- examples
from movies: MD3951 rshowalter
5/15/01 8:20pm
lunarchick
- 09:17pm Jun 13, 2001 EST (#5038
of 5069) lunarchick@www.com
Don't tell me ... let me guess ... Strasser!
rshowalter
- 09:18pm Jun 13, 2001 EST (#5039
of 5069) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
rshowalter
6/11/01 4:34pm
MD3952: almarst-2001
5/15/01 8:36pm
" Is there a credible explanation to the US
opposition to the International Court for War Crimes, supported,
as far as i know, by most of the other nations?"
MD3970 rshowalter
5/16/01 2:59pm
American callousness.
lunarchick
- 09:19pm Jun 13, 2001 EST (#5040
of 5069) lunarchick@www.com
...enjoy...
rshowalter
- 09:19pm Jun 13, 2001 EST (#5041
of 5069) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
MD3978 rshowalter
5/16/01 5:22pm
MD4043 rshowalter
5/17/01 12:57pm . .. MD4044 rshowalter
5/17/01 12:57pm MD4045 rshowalter
5/17/01 12:57pm ...
MD4046 rshowalter
5/17/01 1:19pm ... MD4047 rshowalter
5/17/01 1:21pm
Here is my summary of Hitler's ideals -- on the basis of which
he acted and led a nation that backed him. (Those who backed him
substituted "we" for "I" to a great extent.) :
" There is an "ideal Germany" to be advanced at
all costs, I am the person to conceptualize it and impose it, and
there will be NO value being placed on any nations, groups, or
individuals who do not fit my elaborate, philosophically ornate,
arbitrary conception."
Let me make two word substitutions:
" There is an "ideal America" to be
advanced at all costs, we are the people to conceptualize
it and impose it, and there will be NO value being placed on any
nations, groups, or individuals who do not fit our
elaborate, philosophically ornate, arbitrary conception."
Does that characterization remind you of some people?
Would it remind some other people of some people you know?
Many people outside the US see the US that way, and as
the current administration, for all its fancy words (and the Nazis
had plenty of fancy words, too) becomes more and more unilateralist,
the resemblence occurs to more and more people.
At their worst, Americans sure look a lot like Nazis to
me.
For examples, look at ...
Refusing to Save Africans by BOB HERBERT http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/11/opinion/11HERB.html
and also
Dark Side of U.S. Quest for Security: Squalor on an Atoll
by HOWARD W. FRENCH http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/11/world/11ISLA.html?0611inside
I prefer Americans at their best, where they have many traits
the whole world admires, with good reason.
lunarchick
- 09:22pm Jun 13, 2001 EST (#5042
of 5069) lunarchick@www.com
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