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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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gisterme
- 03:24pm May 16, 2001 EST (#3974
of 3989)
almarst wrote: "...If you aggree that not, where is the media and
public attention and demand for explanation?..."
In case you haven't noticed, almarst, most of the major US
electronic media and is owned lock, stock and barrel by VERY wealthy
left-wing liberals. They present what suits their political
objectives, using their spinmeisters and talking-heads to try to
influence public opinion to their point of view. They can also
downplay or omit what doesn't suit their taste.
From my humble point of view, it seems that they talked the past
US administration right into the Kosovo debacle; or else they just
presented "pre-spun" information from the whitehouse, since it was
"their boy" that was president. Either way, rather than look stupid
now, that same media is directing attention elsewhere, just as they
seemed to be doing by presenting that Kosovo interventaion sales
pitch in the first place. A joke that circulated at the time:
Mr. Bill got tired of playing his saxophone one day and just
tossed it out the window onto the whitehouse lawn. One of his
secret servants found it and brought it back, saying "Mr. Bill,
sir, you've dropped your sax." Bill replies, "Don't worry 'bout it
Joe, Ah've replaced it with muh new whore-monica." That's why I
think we don't hear much, almarst. From the late '60s on those media
owners had a near-monopoly on presentation of news to the US public
on the national scale. Only in the last year or so have some more
balanced news presentations and commentary been available on that
scale, due (I presume) to some VERY wealthy right wing media
ownership. Keep in mind that inside the US the terms "left wing
liberal" and "right wing conservative" are interpreted differently
(just the opposite) to what they were inside the USSR.
Yes, there is always some distrust of the US government by its
citizens but please don't interpret that as an unhealthy thing.
"Eternal vigilance" applies as well when looking inward as when
looking outward; it's a kind of open distrust that tends toward
keeping the government honest. In spite of that fact that there's
plenty of room for skulduggary within the US government, elected
officials REALLY ARE ACCOUNTABLE to their constituants when election
day comes around.
rshowalter
- 03:31pm May 16, 2001 EST (#3975
of 3989) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
A very good book, that Russians ought to study, is
HOW THE WEST GREW RICH: The economic transformation of the
industrial world by Natan Rosenberg and L.E.Birdzell, Jr.
Although economic history contains a lot of ugliness,
exploitation doesn't explain much about how the richest economies
got that way. Skills in complex cooperation explain more.
rshowalter
- 03:36pm May 16, 2001 EST (#3976
of 3989) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
almarst-2001
5/16/01 3:20pm
sounds pretty sensible -- but I wouldn't say "not a penny more"
-- the US can afford some margin, for one thing. For another, the US
needs to handle transitions smoothly -- and that means reductions in
military expenditure -- which make a lot of sense, have to happen
gradually, and in managed ways.
But it is not in the interest of the US citizens to have
the military making fights when it doesn't need to.
And the US is rich enough that it ought to be accountable for its
actions.
almarst-2001
- 04:10pm May 16, 2001 EST (#3977
of 3989)
rshowalter
5/16/01 3:36pm
"But it is not in the interest of the US citizens to have the
military making fights when it doesn't need to. "
But since it does so anyway, there are some who at least expect
to benefit from those. It will be even worth to assume the US
military and the government are just totaly incompetent or sadists.
The military has a very clear desire to expand and increase its
influence and the power - just as any other organisation does. and
the military controls the intelligence to influence the government.
And the Defense industry who benefitrs from the military expansion
also lobbies the government hard and to distort the picture to
"advocate the military's need".
And there is nothing better then a "little successful war" to
justify all this.
The motivation of the media, liberal or not, is less clear. How
much of the NYT is owned by a GE which benefits the most from the
arms sales?
What the "founding fathers" did not expect is a power of a mass
media and the ability to manipulate it behind the scene.
If the military expansion and the aggression has no cost to most
and even great benefits to some, what will prevent it, no matter the
kind of Administration.
As Mad. Albright mentioned on the arguments on bombing of Serbia:
"What for do we have such a fine military if we can't use it?"
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