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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 02:07pm May 14, 2001 EST (#3841
of 3844) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I'll be another hour, at least. But I do have a few things to say
now.
One is, that you need to avoid procedural muddles that can keep
things from happening - the history of nuclear disarmament has been
full of them, and some similar problems, in an academic context, are
set out in http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/highlights/essay_kay_lostcause/index.html
. You have to do a few things, that are simple enough that they can
be done. If an organization is full of veto power, you must find or
craft another oganization where the necessary things can be done.
How difficult would it be to set up an organization of nations
that set different boundaries for military and commercial "national
waters" and "national airspace", charged money penalties for
violation of the declared boundaries, and could collect the money?
An American international lawyer should find this a fairly easy
question to answer- with many answers. You should find it an easy
question, too.
A too simple example, for a "thought experiment. If bombing
from airplanes were outlawed -- something that may not be possible,
but is worth thought -- then you'd have the stability Russia would
need without nukes? Wouldn't you? -- There are other ways of getting
that stability -- but this is still worth considering as a thought
experiment.
China now has the capablity to know down the United States East
coast power grid, or, if she does not, could have it in a week.
Russia certainly could, too. Essentially every medical installation
in the US is vulnerable. With a combination of intervention by code
on the internet, and a very few physical interventions, the US
sociotechnical system is deeply vulnerable in essentially
uncountable ways.
Are you really incapable of fashioning incentives and
deterrants that serve real peace.
Couldn't it be done increasing the real security of all
concerned, including the United States?
I think the answer has to be yes.
Back in another hour, or a little more.
Will be checking for comments if anybody has any.
Nukes are NOT necessary for military and political stability
between nations.
rshowalter
- 02:23pm May 14, 2001 EST (#3842
of 3844) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
almarst , on the political part of your question -- the
way you influence American politicians, and people who influence
them, is to talk to them.
There are no legal or moral barriers that should keep Russia from
doing this, so long as what is done is openly done.
Queen Elisabeth, and many on the Privy Council, could provide
good advice here.
Status exchanges matter rather more than you may imagine in DC,
and money matters, I suspect, a little less.
rshowalter
- 03:25pm May 14, 2001 EST (#3843
of 3844) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Some things everybody knows, of course. For instance the
primordial fact that, in thinking through possibilities of
interaction in negotiation, one needs to ask two questions of your
"adversary" or "counterpart"at each and every step. These questions
are:
" how do you please him?" ... and
" how do you hurt him?"
Naturally, in control problems, one needs both pluses and
minuses.
If one proceeds in negotiations where, at every step, one has
these answers, one is prepared, and can hope for satisfactory
results. If one is drawn onto ground where one has not pre-thought
answers to these questions, one is at a disadvantage, and should
play for time.
*****
People who interact well in sociotechnical systems usually know
more than this. They know to ask
" how do you please in a calibrated,
proportionate, and graceful way?" ... and
" how do you hurt in a calibrated,
proportionate, and graceful way?"
rshowalter
- 03:28pm May 14, 2001 EST (#3844
of 3844) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Here is a definition of feedback that I like, from Steve Kline:
- feedback: A process used for control;
normally has four steps; (1) sense information; (2) process
information; (3) compare processed information with a desired
state (set point); (4) if necessary, adjust to match set point.
There are several qualitatively distinct levels of complexity of
feedback.
For stable military and political balances between nation states,
we need better, more stable, more reliable, less sabotageable
systems of feedback.
Currently, "feedback" between nation states is terrible -- and
truly pathological states (including nuclear terror) have resulted.
We can do better - and nobody has to trust each other, or be a
saint.
The internet provides opportunities for MUCH better systems of
feedback between nation states.
Simple common sense should have done so long ago, but now it
is easier.
(more coming in a while.)
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