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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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anthonyjrusso1
- 10:58pm May 8, 2001 EST (#3568
of 3595)
Ballistic missile defense is the Orwellian weapon: defense is
offense. If we had a BMD that worked that would give us a first
strike capability. When Governor Bush talks about BMD he is
implicitly threatening every nation. Why doesn't someone clue him
in? It is sickening having a preppie wedged into office by a
judicial coup running around talking like this and endangering the
world. God help us. We surely need it.Call forth the forces for
peace!
possumdag
- 11:11pm May 8, 2001 EST (#3569
of 3595) Possumdag@excite.com
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carlw6
- 11:25pm May 8, 2001 EST (#3570
of 3595)
I have but one simple question: Are we better off with a missle
defense system or no missle defense at all? Carl S. Wittekind
Lt.Col. USAF Ret. cwflyboy@erinet.com
almarst-2001
- 11:40pm May 8, 2001 EST (#3571
of 3595)
gisterme
5/8/01 9:23pm
I did not want to get down to details on any particular case
discussed, particularelly since there are separate NYT forums for
most of those anyway.
However, as an exercise, let's look at the seemingly "least
contoroversial" one - the Iraq.
It may not be a common knowlege, but Iraq never recognized Kuwait
- the product of the British Empire deliberate manipulation of its
colonized lands to ensure the perpetual conflict. Just look at
almost any "hot spot" in the world.
It may not be a common knowlege, but Iraq was the most
socio-economically advanced and politically progressive Arab
country. And I accept it being a Jewish and knowing the Saddam's
view on Israel.
The Iraq's road to prosperity was undermined first and formost by
its war with Iran. And all circumstantial evidence and a common
sense tells me this war was "designed" not in Bagdad. Some day I
expect we will learn more about it.
Before Gulf War, Saddam was not the enemy of the Humanity and
Iraq's crimies against Kurds was not an issue. Moreover, most
western "democracies" actively supported Saddam and helped
developing those wearpons of mass destruction, they starve the
Iraq's children for today.
If one remembers the the events just prior to Gulf War, there was
a concentration of Iraq's army on a border, publically dismissed by
the US government as an empty tread. And there was a great surprise
in Iraq when their conquest was suddenly declared as a criminal
aggression. Clearly Saddam expected a different reaction from the
West. My personal assumption is the US and GB decided to kill more
then one bird with one shoot - eliminate the growing local dominant,
establish the permanent military presence in the Gulf as a
"protection" force and increase influence on their allies and
promote the market for their military equipment.
It may not be a common knowlege, but "attrocities" attributed to
Iraq's occupation forces where found to be a lies and propaganda,
similar to what happend later in Kosovo when CIA presented their
satelite pictures of "fields of death" of tens of thousends of
Albanians coupled with some unidentified "witneses" accounts.
During the war, primary targets became the Iraq's water
purification facilities - a clear act of the war crime,
particularely taking in account the fact that Iraq has almost no
natural water resources. This act along is responsible for the death
of hundreds of thousends civilians, mostly sick, elderly and
children. By many accounts - half a millin of chidren so far. What
do you need a nuclear bomb for?
If there where acts of brutality during this war, they where
commited by US military during the Irq's withdrowal. So much so,
some people like MacVain became mentally unstable while buldosering
live Iraq's solders into the mass grave. Some used the occusion as a
target-fire practice on the "road of death" while others burned the
retreating under the white flag columns from the air. No wonder the
US is not signing the establishment of the International Crime
tribunal.
The story continues to this day with sunctions and almost daily
bombing in clear violation of international law. But I would stop
here, unless there is an interest to continue.
almarst-2001
- 11:45pm May 8, 2001 EST (#3572
of 3595)
carlw6
5/8/01 11:25pm
"Are we better off with a missle defense system or no missle
defense at all?"
And the simple answer would be: Some;)
Don't forget the Big $ to military-industrial complex and the
infinite ego of some politicans dreaming of ruling the World.
241590156a
- 11:48pm May 8, 2001 EST (#3573
of 3595)
It takes two to tangle!!!
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