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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 09:32pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3390
of 3407) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I'm about to open beer #3, and have a steak. I think things are
going fine !
Back in the morning. My eyes have just about given out.
possumdag
- 09:32pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3391
of 3407) Possumdag@excite.com
rogues : Iraq, Lybia, North Korea ... and friends with
China and India + Europe. Partners for trade, partners for
understanding, partners and friends who don't need to think in terms
of pointing missiles at each other.
Raises the question is Russia the SuperSmart power? ... if you
want to catch Bwsh .. he's playing baseball on the lawn.
possumdag
- 09:40pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3392
of 3407) Possumdag@excite.com
CONGO has riches: Diamonds, copper, gold and bribes http://www.megastories.com/congo/economy/economy.htm
The dominant economic activities in the Republic of Congo in
terms of contribution to GDP is Crude oil production. The industrial
sector is largely dominated by crude oil production, as the sector
account for more than 50 percent of Gross National Product. An
urbanized service economy has developed while the agricultural
sector has remained marginal. This structure evolved over a
generation when the formal economy was largely run by the state and
private enterprises were discouraged. This system was propped by
external assistance, and by proceeds from oil sales which remained
high until the mid-1980's. Relatively high spending and high
salaries in the public sector, combined with poorly performing state
plantations, produced a high degree of rural exodus to Brazzaville,
the political capital, and to Pointe Noire, the economic center.
Following the decline in petroleum prices in 1985, the system
started showing signs of stress. The government maintained a large
civil service through heavy borrowing, which has led to an
unsustainable accumulation of debt. The country's extremely
unfavorable economic situation was exacerbated by the five month
civil war in 1997 which claimed thousands of lives, severely damaged
the city of Brazzaville, and sent 700,000 people fleeing into the
countryside or to neighboring countries. The industrial sector in
1997 was largely affected, leading to a negative growth of 12
percent, private consumption declining by 11 percent and gross
domestic investment declining by more than 50 percent. It is
estimated by the government that the cost of war-related
reconstruction will be over US$800 million.
Exports commodities from the Republic of Congo consist of crude
oil (about 90%), lumber, plywood, cocoa, coffee, sugar, and
diamonds, while imports includes petroleum products, intermediate
manufactures, construction materials, capital equipment and
foodstuffs. (see tables http://www.newafrica.com/economy/congo.asp
)
~ http://africa.iafrica.com/countryinfo/congo/economy/
Congo's problem is that the neighbours want her wealth.
possumdag
- 09:57pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3393
of 3407) Possumdag@excite.com
Showater the local beer here's XXXX ... 37 more than 3 :)
Actually X is a qualitative measure in relation to alcoholic
content of Ale for taxation purposes.
gisterme
- 10:30pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3394
of 3407)
possumdag wrote: "...all the supposedly rogue countries..."
You know possumdag, that concept of "rogue" countries is one that
I just don't like. I'm not sure just where that term originated,
probably in the US governement, but it has been general usage for
some time to describe nations such as Iraq.
Here's why I don't like it. Let's take Iraq as the example, but
first the definition (Mirriam Webster):
Rogue: 2 a : a dishonest unprincipled person; specifically :
SWINDLER b : a worthless fellow : SCOUNDREL In Iraq, the person
who fits that definition is Saddam Hussein. Just because a cruel
dictator rises to a level of power that enables him to amplify his
rogueishness to the scale of impacting world affairs, that doesn't
mean that everybody else in the nation is like that or wants to be.
It doesn't mean that everybody, or even a majority in the nation
supports him. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call Iraq a nation
with rogue leadership? I think so, and maintaining that the
distinction might just help in dealing with nations like that.
Everybody knows that Saddam is the problem in Iraq right now, but
dealing with an Iraq that is viewed as a monolithic rogue nation and
dealing with an Iraq that is viewed as just having a rogue leader
might suggest different solutions.
Considering all the suffering that the people of Iraq have had to
deal with, I'm amazed that some brave soul there hasn't decided to
put and end to this and kill the tyrant. There's little doubt that
the result would be martyrdom for that soul, but wouldn't an end to
the suffering of the Iraqi people be worth it? Wouldn't the worldly
reward (and heavenly reward, if you're so inclined) for that
martyrdom be far greater than blowing onself up to kill a few
innocent people in a suicide bomb attack somewhere? Why would a
fundamental Islamist seeking martyrdom want to do one but not the
other?
Saddam's rogue behavior is causing as much or more suffering for
the people of Iraq (as individuals) as the PLO/Israel conflict is
for the Palestenians. But there are a lot more Iraquis than
Palestenians. So wouldn't solving the Iraq problem by removing its
source lead to a greater reduction in personal suffering for Arabs
than solving the PLO/Israel conflict? The solution for Iraq seems
much more straight forward than the solution for Palestine. Iraq has
enough courage to heal itself when it wants to.
possumdag
- 10:49pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3395
of 3407) Possumdag@excite.com
The term 'rogue' as in rogue-states, rogue countries, eminates
from the current President in The Whitehouse .. from here, a former
President wherein once uttered 'read my lips' .. I thought you were
a USA poster GI.
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