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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 12:59pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3364
of 3366) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The BBC broadcast was very interesting. Jack Spencer, of the
Heritage Foundation, put out a spirited, and internally consistent,
defense of the idea of missile defense.
I think that, if missile defense could work, and work on
Spencer's terms, and with his assumptions, it would be beautiful.
But some key assumptions are wrong:
1) Any missile defense system so far proposed has
a vanishingly small chance of working -- for reasons that have
been discussed here --- reasons that could be more extensively
checked. There are, of course, plenty of things that would be nice
if they had a good chance, that aren't worth considering so long
as they only have a neglibible chance of success.
There is another assumption, and it is crucial --
2. It is the assumption that the United States
is not an agressive nation.
If everybody were agreed on that, the missile defense program
would indeed seem benign. But everybody doesn't -- and the
agressiveness of US forces, since WWII, and since 1991, has been
very large --- that's a point of fact that needs to be understood,
where most Americans believe just the opposite of the truth as it is
seen by many, many reasonable people in other countries.
A position that is "beautiful" in terms of one set of assumptions
can be very ugly indeed -- and deadly dangerous, in terms of other
assumptions.
It matters what assumptions work when you check them.
rshowalter
- 01:46pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3365
of 3366) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
3327: rshowalter
5/5/01 10:06am .. reads http://scienceforpeace.sa.utoronto.ca/WorkingGroupsPage/NucWeaponsPage/Documents/ThreatsNucWea.html
THREATS TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS: The Sixteen Known Nuclear
Crises of the Cold War, 1946-1985 by David R. Morgan ,
National President , Veterans Against Nuclear Arms Vancouver,
Canada March 6, 1996
( A detailed table of contents was posted in rshowalter
5/5/01 10:06am )
INTRODUCTION
"During the 39 years of the Cold War, the United States of
America led the nuclear arms race, repeatedly threatened to use
nuclear weapons, and brought civilization to the brink of
destruction on several occasions. This is an appalling record, but
there is no reason to believe that any other great power having the
same advantages as the U.S.A. would have acted any better. The human
race is ill-equipped to deal with nuclear weapons.
"The Cold War and the Soviet nuclear threat to the U.S.A. was
ended by Mikhail Gorbachev. It is now widely believed, however, that
the U.S.A. "won the Cold War." The very dangerous crises of the Cold
War, their threats distorted by propaganda at the time, are now
almost totally forgotten. The role of the military establishment
that led us into these crises remains unquestioned, its prestige
untarnished. The public remains in ignorance.
*********
The USA has been an agressive nation. This was a point that had
been common ground, by essentially everyone on this thread, since
the beginning. gisterme contested the point, and asked for
evidence.
The point, of course, is key.
I asked: gisterme , do you contest this?
rshowalter
- 01:47pm May 6, 2001 EST (#3366
of 3366) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
But I'd also ask: " gisterme, in 3319 ... gisterme
5/4/01 11:25pm ... you said:
" I'm willing to give up any point I've tried
to make if you prove it wrong. You won't see me complaining about
being "cut off from any possibility of discussion, compromise or
focus to a solution" just because I can't rationally respond to
your reasoning.
" As you've noticed before, Robert, we do have
a lot of common ground. We both want to find a way to "no nukes in
the world".
I have noticed that we share a lot of common ground. We both want
to find a way to "no nukes in the world" and a path toward
that safety that increases the safety and security of the US, and
the whole world, as effectively and quickly as actually
possible.
I don't contest that some NMD research is worthhwile -- nor that
the shield, if it could be made to exist, might wel.l be consistent
with improved world arrangements.
But other key things can and should be done in the interim -- we
should make peace.
We should make ourselves less feared and less hated -- Maureen
Dowd's http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/06/opinion/06DOWD.html
Mexico Likes Us! makes a fair case when she asks
"Doesn't W. realize that EVERYBODY in the world
HATES us? ..Not Mexico. Maybe not Monaco. But EVERYBODY ELSE!"
It isn't in America's interest to have that question so
reasonably asked. We should fix that.
And we should avoid mistakes that are laughable -- as the current
NMD program is laughable -- and a tragic waste of resources needed
elsewhere. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/06/weekinreview/06MCCA.html
Hey, Let's Build a Shield Against Another Incoming Threat by
BRUCE McCALL is fair comment about the current missile
shield plans, which are far fetched to the point of fraudulence.
We need to find ways to make peace, all over the world.
We need to find ways to make our military more effectively
serve the real security needs of the United States -- not serve
as an institution built to make new enemies and new fights -
including many kinds of fights that American cannot, in any
reasonable sense, ever win.
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