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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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gisterme
- 07:41pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3303
of 3326)
applez0 wrote: "...As people become more and more tied into the
global information networks, *misinformation* and libelous
mischaracterizations have grown proportionally..."
Exactly the point I was trying to make in my last post (3301).
Thanks for the nice summary.
rshowalter
- 07:47pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3304
of 3326) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
You didn't answer my question, I noticed.
gisterme
- 07:54pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3305
of 3326)
rshowalter wrote: "...Now that's NOT the truthful answer.
There will be a number of ways to show that, I believe..."
Go right ahead and show it, Robert but please use verifiable
public records to do so. I'll retract what I said in the referenced
post if you can. But don't expect me (or anybody else) to believe a
bunch of smoke, eggs and mirrors about some anonymous poster on a
public forum (becq) that YOU think MIGHT have been the POTUS, in
spite of his denials, just because he says what you want to hear.
That's not evidence at all. That's just another of those
presumptions that you're trying to present as evidence.
rshowalter
- 07:54pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3306
of 3326) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Now, I'm not the only one who thinks threatening other nations
with first strikes is standard us operational policy. "becq"
does too.
Because of things told to me, I was excited, and impressed, to
get a chance to interact with becq and our interaction took a
full day, from beckq
9/25/00 9:19am .... to beckq
9/25/00 5:03pm .. which quotes me, and then goes on:
Quoting me: "American foreign policy would work
better if we could be clearer in our internal and external
signals"
" Quite true thats why America makes it quite
clear and indicates that it will use nuclear weapons if it feels
it needs to.
It is an interesting dialog. An American policy of first strike
threats is assumed, by becq , throughout.
That dialog makes sobering reading, I believe, and most who
looked at it would believe, as I did, and as some TIMES people did,
that they were dealing with a credible source in becq.
possumdag
- 07:57pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3307
of 3326) Possumdag@excite.com
Sudan have a place on the Human Rights Commission. A guy i talked
to from the Sudan told me how they 'hated' the Americans who didn't
have a clue regarding peacekeeping, and were so happy to have the
French and Brits come on the scene - who knew what to do, and how to
do it, and could communicate with people! There are some
exceptionally nice Sudanese people - one wishes them well.
possumdag
- 07:59pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3308
of 3326) Possumdag@excite.com
All strikes are a useless waste of time, first or second! Why
think firstly in terms of destroying people, rather than maximising
their national potentials .. and/or integrating them into a trading
block that can offer positve assistance and improved infrastructure
for development.
rshowalter
- 07:59pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3309
of 3326) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
So we have an argument about evidence -- that's standard enough.
Here's a question that I can reasonably expect an answer to:
Q: Would you agree that if threating first
strikes was standard de facto US policy, that would have been
wrong -- especially after the fall of the Soviet Union?
rshowalter
- 08:05pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3310
of 3326) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The previous question was to gisterme .
If it can be shown that gisterme is a high official in the
Bush administration, that would be interesting.
possumdag
- 08:07pm May 4, 2001 EST (#3311
of 3326) Possumdag@excite.com
gi-sterme may have headed for the county fair .. it's Friday
Night!
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