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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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gisterme
- 03:00pm May 3, 2001 EST (#3160
of 3166)
wocooper wrote: "...a pissant "rogue nation" aiming to strike at
the U.S. would be more likely to do it with bargain basement
technologies like chemical toxins poured into a water supply, or
fertilizer bombs, it doesn't make sense to spend billions of
taxpayer dollars on a highly speculative missile defense system."
In case you haven't noticed, wr, those "bargain basement" attacks
have already been taking place around the world for some time. But
which "pissant rogue nation" is responsible for any particular
attack? And shocking as those bombings are in individual human
terms, their strategic impact to a developed nation is less than
flea-bites to a horse.
It seems that the people behind most of those attacks (jihadists)
are diligently working to make their strategic impact greater. Their
goal is to form a "greater Islamic nation" from among the Arab
kingdoms and principalities.
Keep in mind that the jihadi campaign is one of perception. The
ability to carry out thief-in-the-night attacks that result in
flea-bites could hardly have as much symbolic impact as posession of
nuclear tipped ICBMs when it comes to coagulating small countries
into a single nation.
So Dubya might not be so dumb after all. Maybe he's just using
his crystal ball.
rshowalter
- 03:14pm May 3, 2001 EST (#3161
of 3166) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
A lot of smart military people are scared to death -- and that,
it seems to me, makes good sense.
The question is how to manage the threats, and make them less, in
ways that work.
rshowalter
- 03:20pm May 3, 2001 EST (#3162
of 3166) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Core problems: escalation, and failure of "rational behavior"
assumptions. rshowalter
2/17/01 5:46am rshowalter
2/17/01 1:59pm
And there's a definition problem about "threat?! rshowalter
2/17/01 2:05pm
rshowalter
- 03:29pm May 3, 2001 EST (#3163
of 3166) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
rshowalt
10/27/00 10:48am
rshowalt
10/29/00 4:12am jorian_s
10/29/00 2:51pm rshowalt
10/29/00 6:16pm rshowalt
10/29/00 8:38pm
...A combination of consensus morality, and knowledge of the
military ineffectiveness of these weapons, keeps them from being
used. A similar combination of consensus morality and knowledge of
their military ineffectiveness, combined with monitoring for nuclear
testing and other enforcement,would stand a good chance of keeping
nuclear weapons from being made again, or being used again, once
they were taken down. rshowalt
10/31/00 12:10pm
But it would take excellent staff work, and a lot of it, to
get things right enough to trust. Basic facts would have to be
worked through to reliable closure and explained effectively,
at rational and emotional levels, widely. rshowalt
11/2/00 12:17pm rshowalt
11/2/00 12:20pm
rshowalter
- 03:32pm May 3, 2001 EST (#3164
of 3166) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Some basic facts about people need to be understood, including
facts about obedience. rshowalter
2/16/01 1:29pm rshowalter
2/17/01 5:41am
rshowalter
- 03:37pm May 3, 2001 EST (#3165
of 3166) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Once nuclear weapons were taken down (and yes, I know how hard
that would be) -- institutions and moral ideas would have to be
carefully, firmly, rightly placed, so that recurrance of nuclear
weapons was very unlikely -- because of effective prohibitions, and
means to make it very unlikely that anyone could profit from it.
. . . . . . . . .
That would take leadership from a number of countries --
not just America.
But moves in the direction of reductions -- along with careful
study and staffing to see if full disarmament was possible --
might make the world far safer, long before we achieved full
disarmament. But I'm not convinced that would have to take so long.
None of this, of course, is inconsistent with continued research
on missile defense.
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