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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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suzanne_hollman
- 09:42am May 3, 2001 EST (#3119
of 3130)
One point: Could someone explain to me the logic that Bush used
when he stated that the ABM agreement was simply a "relic" of the
cold war and that, in fact, he was moving us closer to peace by
breaking the shackles of this agreement? Oh, one other
thing..."Rogue state"? Would that be the "them" or "other" that I am
always reading about???
decker_j0
- 09:52am May 3, 2001 EST (#3120
of 3130)
Bush argues that the world has changed since the ABM Treaty was
signed. Of course. What hasn't changed; it is still more difficult
to hit a missile on the fly than a fixed target and a lot more
expensive. Furthermore, defensive missiles have a first strike
capability look to other nations. That is, if a nation plans a
preemptive attack, it would have defensive missiles protecting its
key assets. Both of those factors portend an expanding arms race.
cookiess0
- 09:52am May 3, 2001 EST (#3121
of 3130)
I am against NMD,Star wars, or whatever the Pentagon wants to
call it this week. I'm against on grounds that it supports the
concept of NUTs. Nuclear Utilization Theory. I'm against it because
the largest holder of nuclear weapons whom seeks a to deploy a
system designed to thwart a nuclear strike undermines the stability
of all nations worldwide. It forces rational states to seek out and
build similar technology. It enters the world we live in into
another arms race, in which the final objective is a space based
system. Like all technology each nation will have different levels
of capability-nuclear deterrence is destroyed among all states. This
system introduces the concept of chance into a doctrine that
maintained no chance for survival exists. In doing this, one allows
for the consideration of nuclear weapons in times of crisis because
chance of survival has been introduced. Being a citizen of the
United States, the nation whom introduced, and further utilized
nuclear weapons against another nation state, I find NMD to be a
great risk to the nation and to the world. If one wants nuclear
weapons, one needs to embrace the idea of holding its citizens
nuclear hostage. It may sound counter to the interests of the
nation, yet it is not. By maintaining an atmosphere by which without
question your nation and its citizens will be destroyed in a nuclear
strike you increase the crossover point from which nuclear weapons
may be introduced in times of a conventional conflict going nuclear,
among other things. If you create a system in which chance of
survival is introduced into a game where no chance of survival
existed prior you increase the gamble the nation will take. In
particular during times of crisis in which conventional conflict can
pass into nuclear. Survival increases the wager. That is why SALT I
and the ABM protocols were introduced. They were signed because it
without question maintained that the two largest nuclear powers
would always keep the others citizens nuclear hostage. If as we have
seen with nuclear weapons, proliferation is natural among states,
then you will also see proliferation of NMD among nations. Each at
different levels of technological design. This is my view is highly
unstable. It was not the correct course of action for the largest
nuclear power. It now requires all other nations to follow suit in
order to protect themselves. Consider what it would be like if India
and Pakistan have NMD. The risk of nuclear conflict increases for
chance of survival has increased. This is what every nation will now
be faced with.
strick.vcn.com
- 09:58am May 3, 2001 EST (#3122
of 3130)
The problem with the new star wars is that it could be easily
defeated. If a rogue nation fired a missile containing two 55gal.
drums full of BB shot and exploded them in space. Satelites and
missile defences would be out of business because there's no way to
differentiate between the BBs and any other object in space. I don't
trust the Department of Defence to report accurate test results. I
was in guided missiles in the Army and helped the Army fake an AA
missile intercept in a demonstration for NATO leaders.
Strick@vcn.com.
cookiess0
- 10:02am May 3, 2001 EST (#3123
of 3130)
strick.vcn.com - 09:58am May 3, 2001 EST (#3122 of 3122)
As a critic of this system, whom ran campaigns against it in the
80s, I can tell you that the “technological argument” is the weakest
argument against NMD. It is the easiest to counter by those whom
support this system. They simply point to the space race and critics
whom viewed the moon landing as impossible at that time. The real
weak point in NMD is that it reduces the safety of the nation and
costs to much period.
leungki
- 10:07am May 3, 2001 EST (#3124
of 3130)
As an engineer I can only add that the technical issues can,
given time and money be solved to everyone's satisfaction. The
debate should center not on the technical feasability of missile
defenses but on their desirability within our current global
geostrategic environment.
Yes, it will trigger an arms race and indeed, no it will not
defend against some nut with five liters of nerve gas hidden in his
backpack, traipsing towards the White house.
cookiess0
- 10:09am May 3, 2001 EST (#3125
of 3130)
leungki - 10:07am May 3, 2001 EST (#3124 of 3124)
Your right. The technology attack against is the weakest approach
to take. I urge those whom are against this to not take this front.
Instead learn about the theoretical implications.
lunarchick
- 10:17am May 3, 2001 EST (#3126
of 3130) lunarchick@www.com
Hudini came unstuck!
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