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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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davidding
- 11:50pm May 1, 2001 EST (#2945
of 2995)
The missile defense has everything to do with "security", that
is, job security for the military industry.
Unfortunately, it won't bring security in any other category, and
it will squander a huge amount of public money.
artemis130
- 11:52pm May 1, 2001 EST (#2946
of 2995) caveat venditor
How many of you NMD fans actually don't think that a functioning
missile defense is just a hop, skip and a jump away from the
Penta-boys turning it into a first-strike system?
After all, isn't that why it was restricted under the ABM treaty
to begin with?
Now I'm just waiting for someone to come back to me with "Yeah,
but NATO's just a defensive organization" and other such fairy
tails.
artemis130
- 11:54pm May 1, 2001 EST (#2947
of 2995) caveat venditor
Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz are selling you "defense first" characters a
trojan horse and a boondoggle.
Don't trust 'em.
atwnw
- 11:55pm May 1, 2001 EST (#2948
of 2995)
I regret to vote for George W. Bush in the election. I am very
sorry for everybody. I should even give a formal apology to myself
and the United States.
artemis130
- 12:06am May 2, 2001 EST (#2949
of 2995) caveat venditor
The remilitarization of America.
All we'll need after that is one whacko "rogue" president.
artemis130
- 12:08am May 2, 2001 EST (#2950
of 2995) caveat venditor
COMMON SENSE, PLEASE.
Common sense? Common sense tells you that the less that holds a
military (any military) in check, the more they'll push the
envelope. And the last I checked, most of these guys ready to push
the envelope believe the best defense is a good offense. Heck, I'm
one of 'em, but this ain't no football game.
faridka
- 12:30am May 2, 2001 EST (#2951
of 2995)
Most of the critics of Bush's NMD plan argue that the program is
either too costly, or technologically not feasible. No one is giving
another reason: 1972 treaty signed with the USSR. Bush gives a bad
example to other contries by making unilateral decision on breaking
a signed treaty. How safe the world is going to be in the future if
every leader starts doing the same? The whole thing has nothing to
do with the security; it is just a payback to those who helped Bush
to get to the White House.
lunarchick
- 03:12am May 2, 2001 EST (#2952
of 2995) lunarchick@www.com
W O O L L Y T H I N K I N G
A consignment of black berrets ordered by and for the USA
military:
were sourced in line with the notions of world COMPETITIVE
ADVANTAGE that is the basis of global trade. Here goods are
bought from that place which can produce them at the world's lowest
price.
Australia sells high quality wool .. some as fine as silk .. at
world 'best prices' .. enabling competitive advantage. Some of this
wool is bought by China, made into product, and exported. In this
way Aussie wool can be the main component of a product made in China
and exported to world destinations.
Where's this leading ?
The USA ordered berrets of high quality at a world best price,
the black berrets went into America via Chinese production ... and
probably made from Australian wool.
That the American Military are now 'disposing of' these berrets
... and not issuing them ... is a slap in the face for GATT
Sheep American Principles of FREE TRADE
Aussie Wool, the world's finest, preferred choice of the world's
4th best known brand name and large retailer - Manchester United!
DNA testing of wool could prove the point!
---
World trade and interdependence is a fact ... take a wheel off
the common bicycle .. look at the made-in stamps in relation to the
half dozen parts that make-up that wheel.
Next the USA will be separating sea water to remove those
molecules that originated as rain over Chinese skies, flowed to the
Ocean via Chinese rivers, crossed the Pacific, evapourated from the
Ocean, fell as rain over the USA, were captured in USA rivers ..
drank by USA citizens, flowed back in the Ocean ....... me'thinks
the world is ONE entity ... could an environmentalist please confirm
... !
wjniemi
- 05:33am May 2, 2001 EST (#2953
of 2995)
Bush's SDI "plan" is nothing more than half-baked, warmed over
Cold War nonsense. The US has been working on this technology since
the Raygun years and the results are $45 billion spent, nothing shot
down. Elvis said it best... "you ain't never caught a a rabbit and
you ain't no friend of mine."
Unilateral abrogation of the ABM treaty is a provocative, illegal
move. The best case scenario of this blunder will be withering
criticism from the world community; the likely outcome will be
strenthening of Russia-China military ties and a renewal of the arms
race.
Bush failed to make the case why such a system is needed; he
simply made the standard appeals to paranoia and implied that we
should suspend rational thought on the subject because the
consequences would be so terrible. The reality is that if any "rogue
nation" attacked the US it would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY that the attack
would be a direct assault with a ballistic missle. A biological
attack would be cheap as dirt and it would be very hard to pin down
the attacker. Computer systems are easy targets. Even if a nuclear
attack was chosen, it would more likely come from a device assembled
on site or delivered by a cruise missle than a ballistic missle.
Folks, it's time to start writing to your senators and
representatives and let them know what a pile of bunk this is.
Editor, www.StopDubya.com
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