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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 11:38am Apr 30, 2001 EST (#2779
of 2786) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I've said on this thread before that I felt that, if there really
was an effective antimissile defense -- we should pursue it -- and
find diplomatic ways to have it work for peace.
But if it doesn't work -- if it is only for bluff -- it isn't
serving the cause of peace.
rshowalter
- 11:55am Apr 30, 2001 EST (#2780
of 2786) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Peacemaking takes a sense of context. We have to know how our
potential adversaries feel -- and why they feel as they do.
I first posted on this thread on September 25 - # 266-269 rshowalt
9/25/00 7:32am ... a proposal for world nuclear disarmament
based on the distrust that nations feel where nuclear weapons
are involved. The thread from then to March 1 is summarized in
postings 813-818 rshowalter
3/1/01 4:08pm
Three days later, I got a message from Armel armel7
3/4/01 3:04pm .. then I got a posting from a person I've come to
respect very much, expressing, I believe, a characteristically
Russian point of view. If we want to make peace, we need to
understand that point of view -- perhaps it has been a little
modified since. Here it is:
applez0
- 11:55am Apr 30, 2001 EST (#2781
of 2786)
In terms of basic cost-effectiveness, allegedly Bush's modus
operandi, let us examine NMD:
What does NMD protect us from? Missiles, specifically ICBMs which
are very effective delivery vehicles for all manner of unwanted
payloads.
Who has this missile technology with the range to hit the US?
Very few, most of them are allies, or erstwhile friends. Are they
likely to attack the US, especially in some unprovoked manner? No.
This largely relegates the motivation to circumstances largely in
the US's influence or control.
Who is likely to attack the US then? Well, it seems the US should
take nutters & madmen fairly seriously, especially those with
organizational backing (Hamas, Bin Laden, Aryan Nation, others). Do
they have access to missiles and the much-feared nuclear payload? In
most cases no. Even then, they'd prefer attacking locally accessible
targets, like US bases abroad or US embassies & consulates, or
even representative businesses.
If they could attack the US, would they likely use a missile?
When a Ryder truck or fishing boat would be more effective,
secretive and cheaper, I think not.
How then does NMD protect us from this more-likely unconventional
unsophisticated attacks? It doesn't.
Given the nature of how destabilizing NMD is to international
relations, and the utter ruination is makes of ABM, the bedrock of
stable and peaceable relations for the last half of the last
century...especially with those who'd rather be spending their
wealth on capital improvements and not expensive weapons to
safeguard their security; I'd argue that it is not very
cost-effective.
The money would be far better spent, IMHO, on developing local
economies, hiring more bureaucrats and border patrol officers with
greater training. Those are our true first, second, and third lines
of defence.
rshowalter
- 11:57am Apr 30, 2001 EST (#2782
of 2786) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
almarstel2001
3/5/01 12:17am
" As I see it, the US military wants the NMD
out of frustration and fear to face the situation, when its
tremendous adwantage in power will be useless against anyone who
posesses even a single nuclear missle capable to reach the US and
who may be ready to commit suiside in case of aggression.
Practically that would mean the end of American's ability to
dictate and rule by force. Imagine - no more bombings of Iraq,
libia, Serbia! For the country which spends about 300 bi/year -
30% of its budget on military, more then 10 next military spenders
combined, this is a real nightmere.
" Unfortunatly", that is going to be a reality,
sooner or later. The more US will push for world's domination -
the sooner. And no NMD will save it for at least the following two
reasons:
" 1 - No NMD will ever quarantee 100% success,
which will the "domination" wars too risky for US.
" 2 - The offensive means, capable to overcome
the defence, are usually much less expensive and simpler to
produce.
" However, the current state of affairs already
caused tremendous damage to US bu showing its willingness to
ignore its pledges and signed laws.
" Who would trust the dishonest arrogant and
brutal superpower bully run amok?
*******
We have to view missile defense in a world where other
national, and other nations ask:
" Who would trust the dishonest arrogant and
brutal superpower bully run amok?
and ask that question for good reasons.
cookiess0
- 11:57am Apr 30, 2001 EST (#2783
of 2786)
olliver - 11:31am Apr 30, 2001 EST (#2777 of 2781)
How can anyone possibly perceive the first serious anti-missile
initiative to be itself an act of aggresion
Answer: Because it is. It is NUTs put into action.
cookiess0
- 12:00pm Apr 30, 2001 EST (#2784
of 2786)
"those who are genuinely concerned about arms build-up should
welcome this kind of non-aggresive defense as a step toward real
defense"
Incorrect. It induces all other rational actors, the majority of
this world-the rational state to make nuclear conflict surviveable.
It ruins nuclear detterence. The actions of the largest nuclear
power trying to defend itself from nuclear strikes makes all other
nuclear powers, whom are rationale defend against it. It actually
destroys the very foundations of stability one is trying to
maintain.
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