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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 03:03pm Apr 28, 2001 EST (#2713
of 2717) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
rshowalter
4/22/01 5:01pm .... Key facts, which could be determined, are
these:
1. Is "missile defense" as it has been sold, a
massive technical fraud, involving the use of funds under false
pretense, lying on a big scale to Congress, and the great risk and
inconvenience of the entire world?
2. Have large misappropriations of funds,
involving illegal conduct in massive disregard to standards of
public responsibliity, occured that have funded the right wing in
American politics, and enriched members of "the military
industrial complex" in indefensible ways?
If the answer is "yes" to either 1 and 2, then it is in the
interest of the Republican party to take action, in the National
interest and its own . . . . If the answer to both is "yes" this
should be true beyond any reasonable question.
rshowalter
- 03:04pm Apr 28, 2001 EST (#2714
of 2717) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
rshowalter
4/24/01 7:47pm I've said on a number of occasions that
" Missile Defense, as it has been sold, and in
any form that can reasonably be proposed, in any technically
examinable detail, is a fake, a shuck, in Menken's phrase
"as devoid of merit as a herringfish is of fur."
This is somehow unpersuasive to many people, including some
motivated people on the right wing of the republican party. One can
ask:
" How could such a thing happen? How could such
a wrong idea come to be accepted? Is such a mistake possible? Is
such corruption possible?"
Broad's NYT Science Times story illustrates a good reason,
connected to much detail, why the corruption IS possible. rshowalter
4/24/01 7:47pm rshowalter
4/24/01 7:49pm
rshowalter
- 03:06pm Apr 28, 2001 EST (#2715
of 2717) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
rshowalter
4/22/01 3:59pm
" gross servo-instability in a interceptor test
last year, shows how very far short we now are from the "we
can do it" assumption that makes the difference between
practical beauty, and gross and dangerous ugliness
rshowalter
- 03:10pm Apr 28, 2001 EST (#2716
of 2717) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
rshowalter
3/29/01 7:44pm
I repeat rshowalter
3/29/01 7:01pm
The basic physics here is all unclassified.
Why doesn't the military, or Lockheed Martin, or some other
reputable source of engineering talent, get a real person, with a
name and a face, in front of a video camera, with me or any of a
number of other people who could do the job, with UMPIRES there so
he couldn't lie ---- and establish, beyond any reasonable doubt at
all, that these missile defense schemes aren't respectable
engineering, but are a fraud instead.
Or that I, and many, many other technical people, are mistaken.
The proceedings can be put on a video feed on the internet -- for
everyone to see.
The U.S. Patent Office has people with sufficient competence and
integrity to do the umpiring job, but the British Patent Office --
or people from their opposite number to our NIST - might be better.
Some Russians watching might make it even clearer.
It should be possible to set this out in public, so that
anyone, at leisure, could get on the internet and look, believe
their eyes, and check details.
I don't see a way to escape the conclusion that people in the
American "military industrial complex" have been putting the whole
world to really massive risk and inconvenience on the basis of a
fraud.
And done so in gross disregard of the national interest -- to
keep old lies from being uncovered, and to enrich themselves
illegally.
rshowalter
- 03:27pm Apr 28, 2001 EST (#2717
of 2717) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Community standards .. rshowalter
4/18/01 10:24pm ... and a related matter, with a specific
person. rshowalter
4/19/01 10:32am rshowalter
4/19/01 5:31pm rshowalter
4/25/01 11:50am rshowalter
4/26/01 11:21am
Using consistency checking, applied again and
again, not only to what people say, but to facts, we can determine
questions as multiply connected as these. Determine them beyond
reasonable doubt.
On matters central to world survival, a reasonable
level of world peace, and the integrity of the United States, we
should do so.
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