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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 02:10pm Apr 28, 2001 EST (#2710
of 2717) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Individual arguments, from motivated people, may or may not be
wrong, or represent misinterpretations rshowalter
4/28/01 1:39pm
Here are some more examples that may be of interest.
Secret Weapons: Two Sisters' Terrifying True Story of Sex,
Spies and Sabotage by Cheryl and Lynn Hersha with Dale
Griffis, PhD and Ted Schwarz New Horizon Press, February 2001. .
. . ISBN: 0-88282-196-2 426p. $25.95)
Amazon reviews ( mostly favorable ) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0882821962/qid=988479723/br=1-6/002-7014825-6349662
Google Search: http://www.google.com/search?q=Secret+Weapons:+Two+Sisters%27+Terrifying+True+Story+of+Sex,+Spies+and+Sabotage&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&start=10&sa=N
Book Review: Whitewashing CIA mind control atrocities By
Uri Dowbenko http://www.onlinejournal.com/Books___Reviews/Dowbenko032801/dowbenko032801.html
is negative -- but does not discount the books core facts. Quotes
from the book in Dowbenko's review.
Schwarz writes: "This is not to say that all
other researchers had the appropriate war mentality so pleasing to
the CIA elite. Many were simply looking out for the financial
welfare of their families."(p.63)
" "The scientists who designed the [mind
control] project to which Cheryl had been assigned probably would
have preferred to work in a less offensive manner," writes
Schwarz. "Few wanted to hurt children if there was any
alternative. That was why there had been feverish activity on the
part of the Central Intelligence Agency's Technical Services Staff
(TSS) to develop remote control killers. The idea was to use an
implant in the brain that could be stimulated to create behavior.
Unwitting adults, unconnected with any of the intelligence
agencies could have devices implanted that would stimulate the
desired behavior without the person ever knowing what he or she
had done." (p. 56)
rshowalter
- 02:12pm Apr 28, 2001 EST (#2711
of 2717) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
more Schwartz quotes (from the review):
" In the last few years, a number of
individuals have come forward to reveal being locked in cages and
used as laboratory rats. According to the thinking of those who
conducted and approved the original experiments, the relative
handful of people whose stories have a basis in fact were not
deliberately mistreated any more than they thought Cheryl was
being mistreated. She and the others were involved in pure
science. All conditions had to be identical for both the primary
research subjects–the primates in this case and the comparison
control group of children."
" in order to have human lab rats for the
experiments who were children and thus minors, a form was
developed called proxy consent. It was created at a time when
Americans were sure that parents knew and should decide what was
best for their children."
" The young are often self-centered, their
knowledge limited to little more than home, school, the
neighborhood and any religious institution to which their families
belong, he continues. "They cannot understand that there are times
when it is necessary to think of the greater good of others [ ]
They cannot understand the important role a child can play in
preserving the future of democracy and the western world as we
know it. [ ] Only a parent can understand all that, especially a
parent who has served in the military and understands the concepts
of honor duty and sacrifice." (p.89)
" Cheryl and Lynn's father Dick was such a
parent," Schwarz concludes. "When his children were selected [
] for experimentation, he signed the proxy consent form without
hesitation."
" The problem is that some people, undoubtedly
having troubled pasts, are seeking attention through the
Internet," Schwarz (says) "Their troubled reasoning was
that just having been molested by their fathers was not enough.
They had to have been through something more horrible than that.
They had to have been victims of religious cults, government
experiments and even pedophiles in the highest offices of the
land." (p.323)
" This may have come about because such memory
lapses are generated by the use of electro-convulsive therapy
(ECT) which has also been used with some frequency in legitimate
psychiatric treatment for many years. It is a controversial
treatment and the correct amount to be given difficult to
ascertain." (p. 326)
Dowbenko comments: "Obviously frying the Hersha sisters' brains
to "help" them forget has worked out just fine."
rshowalter
- 02:14pm Apr 28, 2001 EST (#2712
of 2717) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Individual arguments, from motivated people, may or may not be
wrong, or represent misinterpretations rshowalter
4/28/01 1:39pm
Another book alleging CIA mind control: Paperclip Dolls by
Annie McKenna http://www.paperclipdolls.com/html/book.html
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