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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 09:45am Apr 21, 2001 EST (#2464
of 2467) lunarchick@www.com
Metros have a physical blueprint
Running trains and building-in safety is complex the human
element over-rides red-signals
The first AUTO-Plane is due to fly, possibly across the Atlantic,
people will be elimated from the process .. lessening pilot error
with Leg-Thrombosis
If the inanimate can be programed into peaceful usefulness - why
not find the programs that fit into people's heads with respect to
peace.
rshowalter
- 10:49am Apr 21, 2001 EST (#2465
of 2467) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
It may be a short list of things -- simple enough to fit in
people's heads.
But wrenching, in some ways, too.
People may have to face up to how much they need each other; how
vulnerable they are to each other; and how vulnerable they become,
as animals, when the net of assumptions that fills their heads, and
organizes their lives is challenged.
Whether the challenge is right or wrong.
If the challenge is serious, people may be willing to do almost
anything, including lie and kill, in order to fend off the
challenge.
In China, today it is easy to see irrational behavior of that
kind (largely easy because we have distance from China -- it is, for
us, another world.)
But we have just the same problems outselves, and the history of
the 20th century - which in many ways was such a horror and a
disappointment compared to the 19th century - is full of tragedies,
and horrible, monstrous inexplicable tragedies like World War I, due
to a very few, very human, very dangerous vulnerabilities.
If we knew these vulnerabilities, we could live in peace much
more often, and be safer and richer.
But we couldn't be proud in quite the same way - and feel certain
of ourselves in quite the same way -- we'd have to be proud a bit
differently, and confident a bit differently.
Perhaps is is impossible. But if it is totally impossible, so
that not even the most basic lessons can be learned, the world is
likely to end.
rshowalter
- 10:55am Apr 21, 2001 EST (#2466
of 2467) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
We are animals. Whether some God watches over us or not -- we,
all of us, make up our truth as we go along -- and very often do so
correctly, though we are not correct always.
We can, both individually and collectively, and fairly easily,
get into "do loops" that cause us to fight -- and escalate - and
kill -- and proceed in this way with no limit save the limitation of
the weapons at hand.
With current levels of wisdom and negotiating skills, and with
nuclear weapons around in the numbers that now exit, this is likely
to end all the life on earth advanced enough for people to care
about.
There is a little of Timothy McVeigh in all of us, and a great
deal of McVeigh in all the people who've been trained to use nuclear
weapons. The training couldn't work any other way.
We need to be a lot more careful than we've been about human
abilities and needs.
Nuclear weapons need to be taken down, at least to the level
where the world will survive.
We should find safer ways to fight. Ones that are proportionate,
ones that offer some hope that, after particular fights have ended,
peaceful life can resume. Ways to fight that let the human race go
on - and allow hope that it might even go on with increased decency.
rshowalter
- 11:20am Apr 21, 2001 EST (#2467
of 2467) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
It wouldn't take conscious escalation on the part of fighting
animals to end the world.
The controls on nuclear weapons are so precarious that the world
could easily end -- with nuclear missiles all firing off like a
string of firecrackers - on the basis of a nontrivial number of
"random" events - some technical, some involving a "running amok" of
a very few people.
Everybody involved with firing nukes is already about 1/4 crazy
due to the stresses of their situation, and the severity of their
training.
The machinery is now very old, and the human organizations have
long been degenerate, rigid, and demoralized. The human
organizations manning the missiles do not understand, and have not
understood for a decade, why they are there.
Some very critical design decisions are essentially forgotten
now.
The technical backbone of the US system - our telephone net, is
now changed beyond recognition, and far more vulnerable than before.
The notion of "telephone based security" is now a very grim joke. --
There is no reliable, checkable "telephone security" worth betting
anybody's life on. --- The system is neither simple enough, nor well
enough documented, to ever again fit the needs nuclear weapon
designers were clear about when these sytems were built.
The control design decisions that matter were made in the
Eisenhower administration - and it is now a very different world.
Nuclear weapons are obsolete menaces. We should take them
down.
Perhaps they played a necessary historical role.
In all events, we are alive now.
Our friends, relatives, and the friends and relatives of other
people are alive . . . .
We should take steps to see that it stays that way.
- - - -
A relatively few people may have to admit to some lies, and some
frauds. It is in the interest of the world to see that they do it.
Whether they are punished is not so important. But the frauds --
which have us slam-banging into disaster -- should end.
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