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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 07:37pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2327
of 2332) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Here is Tayler's next paragraph, that says hopeful things, worth
remebering, about the "doomed" sociotechnical system that is Russia:
" Despite the grave images the media show us,
the full extent of Russia's weakness is not apparent to most
visitors at first. Trains run on time. Stores open on schedule.
The obvious poverty of shantytowns ad slums is rare. Though rising
sharply, street crime is still less common than in major cities of
the West. At times gruff in public, Russians privately maintain a
superb civility and dignity, and their oriental tradition of
hospitality to strangers puts Westerners to shame. Customs now
regarded as quaint (or sexist) in the West, such as a man's
opening doors for a woman and paying for his date's meals - are
the rule, and only the indigent dress shabbily. Standards of
education, especially math and science, exceed those of all but a
few Western countries; the average Russian high schooler may have
a grasp of U.S. or European history that would humiliate an
American college student. The remnants of the Soviet welfare state
ensure that few starve; the apartments the Soviet government gave
to its citizens make Russia a nation of homeowners to a great
extent. . . . . . In sum, few visitors find cause for dispair, and
Armageddon seems well at bay. Reform and prosperity, it would
seem, are a hair's breadth away, and those hwo would deny this are
shortsighted pessimists."
Talyer contrives, at length, to find cause for dispair however,
in a very interesting piece. Russia is "destined" to fall apart by
its "thousand year history."
I have no doubt that many if not most of the points the piece
makes can find reflections in reality.
Even so, the piece shows dangerously oversimplified and hubritic
thinking, and connects closely to the questions raised in almarst-2001
4/17/01 1:43pm and almarst-2001
4/17/01 2:09pm .
rshowalter
- 07:43pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2328
of 2332) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
NOBODY is as smart as Tayler thinks he is, and as Tayler makes
his readers think they are.
Much, much too often, we forget this about ourselves, and about
others.
All others.
Sociotechnical systems are far more complex than anything
we can fit into our heads -- and sweeping statements and judgements
about them can be, at best, dangerously incomplete but tolerably
useful.
Quite often, they are dangerously incomplete, credible to those
who believe them, and disastrous.
Practically and morally, too.
* * * *
For inescapable reasons, we need facts to match to, and plenty of
them -- and need them much more than we are likely to know. We think
we understand our world, but it is bigger than we are.
rshowalter
- 07:45pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2329
of 2332) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I'll be referring to
md1127: http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?7@174.5psZaAXImNj^537289@.f0ce57b/ md
1128: rshowalter
3/17/01 5:31pm md1129: rshowalter
3/17/01 5:38pm
Rape Camp - by Dawn Riley http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee79f4e/1512
md1130: rshowalter
3/17/01 5:38pm md1131: rshowalter
3/17/01 6:02pm md1132: rshowalter
3/17/01 6:10pm md1133:rshowalter
3/17/01 6:13pm md1134:rshowalter
3/17/01 6:17pm md1135:rshowalter
3/17/01 6:19pm md1136:rshowalter
3/17/01 6:24pm and 1138: rshowalter
3/17/01 7:20pm
Which deal with essential points about complexity, and also about
psychological warfare.
rshowalter
- 07:47pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2330
of 2332) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
When we apply SIMPLE models of structure to circumstances that
have a more complicated structure than we are thinking of, we can
get into trouble.
We can fail to see how thing work.
And we can be misled by thinking we see "contradictions" where
there are no logical contradictions -- though there may be aesthetic
or moral tensions.
A complex system can be two "contradictory" things at the same
time -- in different places within the larger structure -- without
contradiction.
It you know it -- solutions that seem "classified out of
existence" are seen, and these solutions can be real.
Some moral points can get clarified, too.
People can be monsters and good people at ONCE - in different
aspects of their lives, or at different times.
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