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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 03:10pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2324
of 2332) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I have materials gathered, and partly organized, but I'll be at
least an hour more, perhaps two, before I can answer you as well as
I can today. To your question
" A Case of "dirty glasses" or DIRTY
NATURE?"
I'll answer, "both."
We see some things badly, perversely, in monotonously
counterproductive, cruel, and dangerous ways. All people tend to do
this, in one way or another.
And we all, though we may be "like angels" in some ways, are
"like monsters" in others. As a species, we have, all of us, some
dirty nature to control.
And if we can do, not perfectly, but better than we're doing, a
lot of ugly things can be made less ugly, and there's a chance for
beauty in places where things are now dark. On matters of military
balances, we need to do better than we've done, and that ought to be
possible.
rshowalter
- 07:33pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2325
of 2332) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I'll continue to work on a good answer to the questions raised in
almarst-2001
4/17/01 1:43pm and almarst-2001
4/17/01 2:09pm. -- but I stopped, and I think for good reason,
to read RUSSIA IS FINISHED: The unstoppable descent of a once
great power into social catastrophe and strategic irrelevance by
Jeffrey Tayer in this May's edition of The ATLANTIC
MONTHLY
Tayler's piece is curious piece -- and it seems to illustrate
some essential concerns, not only about Russia, but about the
looming tragedy of nuclear destruction (I've sometimes felt like
writing something that might have been titled THE WORLD IS
FINISHED )
The piece sets out some real problems, and at the same time
illustrates, in severe fashion, some of the psychological problems
we've been discussing here. Things are too black, too white, too
predictable, too simple, too determined, and too hopeless in this
piece, as they are in a lot of discourse, history and decision
making we've been discussing and lamenting here.
I wish my old partner, Steve Kline, were alive to read and talk
about it.
Here's Tayler's first paragraph
" During the Cold War years, I percieved Russia
through a Cold War prism - as a land of vast, frozen twilight
realms of steppe and forest where a drama was being acted out that
involved players of satanic evil or saintly good and doctrines
that promised either mankind's salvation or its ruin. I developed
a passion for the country, a passion that derived in part from a
weighty postulate: that what happened there concerned not only
Russia, but the world. In its Soviet incarnation, Russia had
nuclear weapons and a powerful military, a threatening and
subversive ideology, a tendency to invade its neighbors and meddle
in their affairs, and the might to wreak havoc on other
continents. Russians I came to know spoke of the future of their
country as if it would be the fate of humanity, and I agreed with
them. . . . ."
I find this passage very beautiful from some perspectives, in
some spots, but on balance, very ugly indeed - in interesting ways.
It says much about Russia, but also says much about the mind of
Tayler - a mind, in many basic ways, much like mine or yours. A mind
that classifies, and uses implication logic, in curiously confindent
but inappropriate ways.
Later, Tayler says:
" . . . . . I arrived at conclusions at odds
with what I thought before: Internal contradictions in Russia's
thousand-year history have destined it to shrink demographically,
weaken economically, and, possibly, disintegrate territorially.
The drama is coming to a close, and within a few decades Russia
will concern the rest of the world no more than any Third World
country with abundant resources, an impoverished people, and a
corrupt government. In short, as a Great Power, Russia is
finished.
" Why this should be so will be apparent during
a look back at the last decade and how its events stemmed from
Russia's Eastern Orthodox civilization and a decimating,
isolating, long-ago invasion whose consequences determine the
relation between citizen and state to this day."
"Determine" in the line above is treacherous -- and all too
common. Logical coercion is claimed where nothing of the sort
exists.
rshowalter
- 07:35pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2326
of 2332) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
In rshowalter
3/17/01 5:31pm there's this:
" When we apply SIMPLE models of structure to
circumstances that have a more complicated structure than we are
thinking of, we can get into trouble."
Tayler's piece illustrates this kind of trouble, in a number of
ways and at a number of levels. How easily, and convincingly, people
can mislead themselves, and others. How natural, even inevitable,
dangerous oversimplifications can seem. How easily we accept models
in our head that are too simple, and accept properties of the model
as somehow determining reality. How intolerant of "contradiction" we
are as animals, and at the same time, how often we see them, where
systems are structurally complex, and different statements apply in
different structures, with no real logical contradiction at all.
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