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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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almarst-2001
- 06:04pm Apr 15, 2001 EST (#2267
of 2270)
China and the United States - http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/15/opinion/15SUN1.html
"The two nations are nascent military rivals with incompatible
political systems. "
No explanation why "military rivals".
Are Arabic Kingdoms or KLA-like "freedom-fighters" more
"compatible" with US political system? Not a long time ago Taliban
was considered an US friend, as where some pretty nasty military
dictatorships. Taiwan was always considered "compatible" even when
rulled by a military-nacionalistic dictatorship.
"Mr. Bush ... and his aides should settle on a long-term
strategy that protects American interests while encouraging China to
play a constructive role"
No definition on what "American interests" are. Nor, what the
expected "constructive role" means.
United States and China "have different values, yet common
interests"
What those "values" and "interests" are?
"The United States and China need not become enemies, though
historical and political forces could push them in that
direction."
What are those "historical and political forces"?
"The governing principles of American democracy and Chinese
Communism guarantee a degree of friction."
May be right. But the history showed that wars between nations
can rarely be attributed to their "governing principles".
"The demise of the Soviet Union has removed a powerful
strategic incentive for Washington and Beijing to work together in
some areas as a means of isolating Moscow"
Aggree.
"The price of increased trade with China must not be American
silence about China's brutal treatment of its own citizens and
intolerance for dissent."
I have not lived in China to validate the "brutal treatment of
its own citizens and intolerance for dissent." However, based on
some analisys, many of the young educated Chinese do not accept this
statement as a honest one. And, in any event, why to single-out the
China? It is obvious to all the US has a very extended trade with
some much more brutal and undemocratic regemes even today, including
the Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
"Nor does a stable relationship require Washington to
subordinate its strategic interests in the Far East and Western
Pacific by reducing the presence of American military forces or
curtailing intelligence-gathering operations. The American role has
brought a measure of security to the region that has benefited many
countries, including China. "
This region sufefred almost two decades of the brutal wars, waged
by the US. Always on the opposit side from China. The
demilitarization of Japan is presented as the major US achievement
on the East. But don't forget the Japan's military budget was always
greater then Chinese.
"Taiwan's young democracy and robust economy deserve American
support"
May be. But the reason for support is entirely different.
"If China would drop its threats to use force to absorb
Taiwan, and instead rely on the long-term political dialogue that
some Chinese leaders outlined recently, the issue might cease to be
a potential flashpoint between China and the United States."
As I mentioned before, it is clear to China that US will do all
it can to prevent the unification. The control of the South China
Sea and with it - the fate and alingment of Japan and Korea - are at
stakes.
And finally, let's not forget, the principle of "One China" was
long adapted by UN and officially approved by US. The situation is
somewhat resembling that of Kosovo - the internationally recognised
part of Serbian territory.
The question is - "Can US do to china what it did to Serbia?"
Very unlikely in my view.
rshowalter
- 06:29pm Apr 15, 2001 EST (#2268
of 2270) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
You ask some very good questions.
And make points that, if made clear, subject to evidence and
argument about specifics, might make all concerned safer. An
editorial in any paper, of course, is a statement of opinion. And a
problem, of course, is that it, like any other sequence of well
written, coherent words, tends to elicit belief, whether it fits
evidence or not.
Your most important question is why are the US and China
"military rivals?"
Rationally, they ought not to be. There are some reasons,
emotionally compelling to the military forces of both sides, that
they ARE military rivals. There is a great deal of hatred between
China and North Korea, on one side, and the United States and Japan,
on the other. There is a desire for revenge against the US that is
strong enough, in North Korea, to motivate a missile and nuclear
weapons program. At the level of physical threat, the Korean DMZ has
been a harrowing place for a front line soldier to serve, for a half
a century now.
If ALL these points could be "on the table" a great deal could be
sorted out, I believe, to the benefit of all.
The Chinese military and American military, as human groups, hate
each other. Quite apart from "rational" or "economic" or idealogical
issues, that's a problem.
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