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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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lchic
- 08:55am Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11802
of 11827)
My how those 'secret' departments that run 'unchecked' like to
set their own agendas - right or wrong!
THE SUSPECTS | Death of Reporter Puts Focus on Pakistan's
Intelligence Unit | By DOUGLAS JEHL New links between Islamic
militants and the Pakistan intelligence agency are intensifying
suspicions about the agency's role in the kidnapping of Daniel
Pearl. (NYT)
lchic
- 09:01am Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11803
of 11827)
"What does this have to do with missile defense?"
The USA runs a Seventeeth Century Foreign Policy. Execpting
that in those days the weapons were 'conventional' ... but now they
arn't.
lchic
- 09:46am Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11804
of 11827)
Those who ran Seventeeth Century foreign policy - most often had
an end game - empire. Gobbling up weaker nation states.
What's the USA 'end game' ?
Carlyle Snakes and Carlyle Ladders?!
almarst-2001
- 11:11am Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11805
of 11827)
"The possibility that Missile Defense might deter the
development of ICBMs and weapons of mass destruction might justify
the expenditure."
Can you explain, please? This goes against any common sense.
lchic
- 11:58am Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11806
of 11827)
!
lchic
- 12:01pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11807
of 11827)
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almarst-2001
- 01:08pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11808
of 11827)
Thanks.
almarst-2001
- 04:43pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11809
of 11827)
"MANY FAILED COMMUNIST PRACTICES ARE NOW FULLY OPERATIONAL,
ALBEIT UNDER DIFFERENT LABELS IN THE EU AND USA." - http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/02/25/26640.html
rshow55
- 05:49pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11810
of 11827)
Great posts! Almarst , you're raising profound questions.
Here's a key question, it seems to me.
. Are the interests of the military-industrial
complex the same as the interests of the American
people?
Have they been confused?
It seems to me that they have -- that the confusion has been
profound, and that the distortions involved are well worth
questioning.
It seems to me that the things Eisenhower warned against have
happened - - - and we must make a distinction between the
interests of the United States, and the interests of the
"military-industrial complex" and the people who profit from it. One
difference is basic. For the country as a whole, defense
expenditures may be associated with benefits, but are costs .
For the military-industrial complex, and those who profit from it,
defense expenditures are benefits, pure and simple. For the
MI complex -- the more that his spent, the better.
In diplomacy, discussions and clarifications about what "national
interest" is are fundamental, and confusions about them are
dangerous.
We've done a lot on this thread, and I think lchic summarized it
well. MD11727 lchic
2/22/02 2:56pm
It seems to me that Russia and our NATO allies, who are now very
unhappy, have to ASK for rational explanations .
Questions about the technical possibilites of missile defense are
a good place to start -- because the questions are clear - and
mistakes and papered-over problems on both the midcourse correction
system described in the Coyle Report http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/nmdcoylerep.pdf
and in the laser programs such as ABL are so basic and so blatant.
Nobody without rank, and independent position, would be nearly as
likely to get answers to these questions as world leaders, raising
questions in public, would be.
It may not be standard diplomacy, but it might be very effective
for leaders of other countries to ask these questions of elected
representatives in the United States - who ARE being asked to act in
the national interest.
The United States owes all concerned an explanation of what the
national interest is - and technical frauds and boondoggles cannot
reasonably serve those national interests.
Is there reasonable understanding about what the national
interest is? Explanations that could stand the light of day, in the
US and elsewhere?
Some things may be held for "tactical surprise" - - but the
national interest ought not to be clear to all concerned.
lchic
- 05:55pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11811
of 11827)
When a VAMPIRE is shown a crucifix .. he recoils and retreats ..
for the symbol of the crucifix holds significant truths. The
vampire/Ministry of Lies is with Rumsfeld ... and Bushy purports to
be 'very upset' about it .. now that he knows.
Begs the Question - how many 'truths' are hidden from WalkerB.
Begs the Question - Does Rumsfeld (like Oliver North) run his own
agenda ...has funding to run it .. and is outside the control of
both the Congress and the President.
Begs the Question - is Rumsfeld an agent of Bad/or/Good
It's important to ask questions .. the media today just take the
media release at face value and don't ask questions - even though
it's important to do so.
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